CobaltFan06

Already got the I/H/E combo, what else? Keeping it under the 700 bucks per item range. Longterm plan is to go turbo when tuning comes out.

shawn672

no such thing as a "power adder" for a NA car...except a bigger engine


edit: but i kno what u mean...did u do both manifolds? what about downpipe? could subtract weight.

XM15

You can also get a downpipe. My advise though would be to save up for the turbo kit and also a set of cams to go with the turbo.

You could go with the Comp cam stage 1 cams for now; I think they run $400+ and you can drop them in without tuning. Stage 2 cams need tuning, so until then us 2.2 guys can't install those. I think that the big price of going with the stage 2 cams would be the tuning and labor anyways.

HunterKiller89

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lol...if your looking to go turbo later, then your gonna end up trashing that intake and those headers....they will be replaced with a turbo manifold and a new intake that fits the turbo setup. the only things that will stay on the car are the catback and anything in the engine.
basically cams, catback, port/polish the head, and pistons (course you'd raise compression for N/A and lower it for boost...so you cant really do that now)...so really just exhaust, cams, and headwork

Jn2

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2.2->2.4 manifold swap should give you a good amount of hp in the higher RPM's, complete exhaust, what i mean is everything from the header back, bore the throttle body out, wait never mind, we need a tune...umm...flywheel will save you some hp thru drivetrain, trq damper, transmission mounts...all in all you shoud get some good #'s from all that

shawn672

ya but it will be junk if he turbo's

Jn2

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good point, than he should just focus on the drivetrain, flywheel, mounts, etc, things that will give/save hp, since those will still be good even w/a turbo setup

HunterKiller89

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you really only listed a flywheel and manifold swap....
hell even the manifold swap might not work if your future turbo is a full turbo kit....it changes the location of the TB, and no one knows if it will affect fittment yet or not

Jn2

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nitrous...the #1 way to get instant hp...and w/in ur stated price range

just noticed, "hurly" your first post on this forum was on this thred...just though i'd share

shawn672

a full nitrous kit costs around $600-700 unless you find one used. If you can install it yourself great. A local performance shop quoted me $500 for the install, which includes testing and dyno before and after.

Ecotec's will handle a 50 shot no problem, some get away with 75 but it's iffy. Anything over that needs direct port, so forget about it.

cakeeater

work on your suspension. You will need it when you have the extra power from the turbo, and people don't realize how much of a diff it can make.

HunterKiller89

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.not quite
50 is small...easy
75 is the norm, considered safe
100 is large, on the risky side, but you'd be fine
150 is what blew rods on GMs testing, so i wouldnt touch 125 either

shawn672

a performance shop who installs nitrous kits all the time advised I stick with a 50 shot for the ecotec, unless i wanted to rods and headers and such. but most people have been ok with a 75. Look at RollermanD, he blew his intake manifold with just a 50 shot..

CobaltFan06

Yeah I knew the headers would be trash, but some kits can work around an aftermarket intake... if i have to trash it to go turbo so be it, no worries. I was deffinately thinking about nos, but the risk of blowing my engine is really one I don't want to take, since I've got an auto tranny I could only spray from like 3-5k rpm anyway right?

g5mike

****! no of you mentioned CAMS, best money spent for some ponies.

shawn672

3-6k. being an auto doesn't matter, manuals would spray the same. when you're racing you're never below 4k anyways..

nitrous has a lower initial cost and is easier to install usually...but with either case you risk blowing your motor up. personally i'm going nitrous, it just makes more sense for me, i only need real power maybe one night a week, and only during the summer/fall months..

Novajoe

nitrous is great... untill you realize you have to spend $40 to fill a 10lb bottle. With a 75 shot and 10lb bottle you'll usually get around 4-5 good runs out of it before the pressure gets too low.

shawn672

Not all places charge that much, it's best to check with a local performance shop to ask how much they charge.

$700 for the Nitrous system @ $30 per refill gives you around, 466 Runs for the total price of the Turbo Kit (~$3,500).

If you can't install it yourself, a pro shop quoted me $500 for the nitrous install, and $1500 for the turbo install (both included test and tune, along with dyno runs before and after)
Nitrous saves another $1000, that another 166 Runs.

So sure, you could go Turbo, have power all the time, even when you don't need it, take the risk every time you get in the car of it blowing the motor/tranny. Or you could go Nitrous, maybe not make quite as much power, but get a very nice boost on demand, and only take the risk when you're actually racing.


All depends on personal circumstance. Some people want to make 400whp and have that power available ALL the time..I run a business, and I can't have my car break down on the way to a meeting because the BOV got clogged and created too much back pressure..
But that's me, I only race once a week, 4-5 passes, Summer and Fall.

cakeeater

until you have the turbo on and know exactly where you want your powerband to be, i wouldnt even want do cams. It wouldn't be a horrible idea, but i still say suspension. He will see benefits now, but even greater ones later.

IonNinja

the most runs I've got at the track on a 75 shot was 6 runs...I could've gone more but I was done for the night.

or if I go out to the local hang outs at night a nitrous bottle lasts me probably 4 or 5 hours...

I've never been able to get a bottle to last more than a day though...you basically need to refill the bottle anytime you use it. atleast in my experience.

R&C_rallySS

Exactly.

lil_kano

this was my question in another post. do you think if i go to a dyno and run it a few times to do an 80-85 shot and get my A/F right (by adjusting the fuel and nitrous jets) it would run fine. i know about the saftey issues and i have all the saftey features...TPS, blow down tube and Widnow switch. i'm also getting a dash hawk to keep watch...

SSBOOST

Are there any manifold upgrades for the 2.4?

shawn672

can you have a 80 shot? i dont think so
multiple's of 25 usually

you supposedly can't adjust your AFR readings, no tuning. but i had a very reputable local auto performance shop tell me they can and have tuned a 2.2 07. dont know how they did it but they're going to prove it when they install my nitrous kit

lil_kano

sorry, i didn't mean actuall tuning, but i meant change my nitrous or fuel jets in my wet kit to compensate for the read outs of my AFR. if they're slightly increased you can go to a 80-85 shot. i geuss an 85 shot would make more sense though.

what im trying to say is that running it on the dyno and seeing that onmy read out im running too rich, i believe, then i can lower my fuel jet a bit or raise my nitrous jet. see what im saying?

o and my wet kit came pre-made with a 55, 65, and 75 wet shot so you can do a certain amount as long as its mixed right.