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08-22-2009, 12:38 PM
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yeah but like, i dont even know how to find a turbo to fit a turbo manifold. It seems easier then supercharging though. Iam gonna have to get a complete parts list going this way i can start piecing something together.
and that would be like 210 crank? or is that to high
and that would be like 210 crank? or is that to high
mid 190 wheel is about 210ish crank
i know he has raced a few lsjs, mostly stock and its a drivers race from a roll, from a dig its not soo good lol, that 0-3500rpm seems to kill
08-22-2009, 01:29 PM
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thats why i figure stage one kicks in a lil faster you know. your in the powerband by like 2600
what do you mean same exhaust flanges and is my 2.5 exhasut gonna cut it. heard their good up to 250?
what do you mean same exhaust flanges and is my 2.5 exhasut gonna cut it. heard their good up to 250?
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08-22-2009, 01:41 PM
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180? You guys are going off to much talk and an uncorrected dyno. There is a guy on here with full bolt-ons and stg1 cams and he put down ~165whp. He has the links and everything in his sig. Lets be generous and say a bolt on 2.2 makes 155whp you think just a stage 1 cam will bump it up 30whp+?
Talking about Nwae hanging with LSJ's from a roll? Anything can happen on the street be he only traps 94mph and even a stock LSJ should have a decent pull.
Not hating, just saying.
Talking about Nwae hanging with LSJ's from a roll? Anything can happen on the street be he only traps 94mph and even a stock LSJ should have a decent pull.
Not hating, just saying.
08-22-2009, 03:31 PM
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180? You guys are going off to much talk and an uncorrected dyno. There is a guy on here with full bolt-ons and stg1 cams and he put down ~165whp. He has the links and everything in his sig. Lets be generous and say a bolt on 2.2 makes 155whp you think just a stage 1 cam will bump it up 30whp+?
Talking about Nwae hanging with LSJ's from a roll? Anything can happen on the street be he only traps 94mph and even a stock LSJ should have a decent pull.
Not hating, just saying.
Talking about Nwae hanging with LSJ's from a roll? Anything can happen on the street be he only traps 94mph and even a stock LSJ should have a decent pull.
Not hating, just saying.
08-22-2009, 07:30 PM
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I did some searching and found the guy I was talking about (Copson20). He has full bolt-ons and stage 1 cams..don't expect 180+whp... (also his dyno is corrected)
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q...Stage1Cams.jpg
163whp 150ft-lbs
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08-23-2009, 01:28 AM
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08-23-2009, 02:27 AM
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Here is my current list... I'm not 100% finished yet...
Purchased Supercharger Parts List
GM Parts
11900248 LSJ TB To SC Bolts (4)
12575463 LSJ TB Gasket
12584342 LSJ Supercharger Gasket
12594387 LSJ IC Pump Insulator
12597855 LSJ Intake Manifold Gasket
12597993 LSJ Stage 2 Serpentine Belt
12614973 LSJ 1 Bar Map Sensor
15247280 LSJ Upper Radiator Hose
9230949 LSJ Exhaust Manifold Gasket
11516342 LSJ Intake Manifold Mount To Block Bolts (2)
11589214 LSJ Supercharger to Intake Manifold Bolts (4)
12345982 Genuine GM Supercharger Oil (Qty 2) 4 oz ea)
12584369 LSJ TB To Purge Solenoid Tube
12585150 LSJ IC Pump Rear Bracket To Intake Manifold Mount
12586367 LSJ IC Pump Front Bracket To Rear Bracket
12586632 LSJ Lower Intake Manifold Mount
15226536 LAP | L61 | L65 Coolant Reservoir
15075118 LAP | L61 | L65 Coolant Reservoir Cap
15231157 LSJ Downpipe To Cat Back Gasket
15235773 LSJ Exhaust Manifold To Downpipe Gasket
15253932 LSJ Power Brake Booster Vacuum Hose
22729469 LSJ Windshield Washer Container
22732432 LSJ Wiper Cowl To Washer Container Hose
88986255 LSJ 8 Pin TB Connector (LAP | L61 Only 6)
89046833 IC Pump Connector
90537953 LSJ Exhaust Manifold Heat Shield
15411879 2005 Cavalier Injector Wiring Harness. No cutting needed using GM Stage 2 Injectors
New Parts
ZZP Heat Exchanger
ZZP Triple Gauge Pod
OTTP SS SC Pulley Bolts
Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge
GlowShift Vacuum | Boost Gauge
AEM Wideband Air | Fuel Ratio Gauge
OTTP 3.0 Polished Pulley (For Stage 2 Hub)
M-8501-L54 Ford Racing Intercooler Pump
NGK Copper Spark Plugs (Part# LFR6A-11)
Used Parts
Eaton M62 Supercharger
GM Stage 2 Injectors (42lbs)
Stock LSJ Air Intake
Stock LSJ Tensioner
Stock LSJ Downpipe
Stock LSJ Idler Pulley
Stock LSJ Throttle Body
Stock LSJ Serpentine Belt
Stock LSJ Intake Manifold
Stock LSJ Exhaust Manifold
Stock LSJ Alternator Bracket
Stock LSJ Supercharger Pulley
Standard Bolts Needed (Not GM)
LSJ 1 Bar MAP To Intake Manifold
M6 x 1.0 x 25 (Qty 1)
LSJ Intake Manifold Mount Bracket To Intake Manifold
M10 X 1.50 x 50 (Qty 1)
LSJ Rear IC Pump Bracket To Intake Manifold Mount
M8 X 1.25 X 25 (Qty 2)
LSJ Front IC Pump Bracket To Rear IC Pump Bracket
M8 X 1.25 X 35 (Qty 2)
LSJ Idler Pulley To Block
M10 X 1.50 x 75 (Qty 1)
LSJ Idler Pulley To Alternator Bracket
M8 x 1.25 x 25
LSJ Intake Manifold To Block
M6 x 1.0 X 75 (Qty 2)
LSJ Alternator Bracket To Block
M8 X 1.25 X 130 (Qty 3)
LSJ SC Bypass Valve To SC
M8 X 1.25 X 20 (Qty 2)
LSJ Tensioner Lower To Alternator Bracket
M8 x 1.25 x 35
LSJ Tensioner Upper To Alternator Bracket
M8 X 1.25 x 40 not standard bolt though. Has to be metric hex socket bolt.
Purchased Supercharger Parts List
GM Parts
11900248 LSJ TB To SC Bolts (4)
12575463 LSJ TB Gasket
12584342 LSJ Supercharger Gasket
12594387 LSJ IC Pump Insulator
12597855 LSJ Intake Manifold Gasket
12597993 LSJ Stage 2 Serpentine Belt
12614973 LSJ 1 Bar Map Sensor
15247280 LSJ Upper Radiator Hose
9230949 LSJ Exhaust Manifold Gasket
11516342 LSJ Intake Manifold Mount To Block Bolts (2)
11589214 LSJ Supercharger to Intake Manifold Bolts (4)
12345982 Genuine GM Supercharger Oil (Qty 2) 4 oz ea)
12584369 LSJ TB To Purge Solenoid Tube
12585150 LSJ IC Pump Rear Bracket To Intake Manifold Mount
12586367 LSJ IC Pump Front Bracket To Rear Bracket
12586632 LSJ Lower Intake Manifold Mount
15226536 LAP | L61 | L65 Coolant Reservoir
15075118 LAP | L61 | L65 Coolant Reservoir Cap
15231157 LSJ Downpipe To Cat Back Gasket
15235773 LSJ Exhaust Manifold To Downpipe Gasket
15253932 LSJ Power Brake Booster Vacuum Hose
22729469 LSJ Windshield Washer Container
22732432 LSJ Wiper Cowl To Washer Container Hose
88986255 LSJ 8 Pin TB Connector (LAP | L61 Only 6)
89046833 IC Pump Connector
90537953 LSJ Exhaust Manifold Heat Shield
15411879 2005 Cavalier Injector Wiring Harness. No cutting needed using GM Stage 2 Injectors
New Parts
ZZP Heat Exchanger
ZZP Triple Gauge Pod
OTTP SS SC Pulley Bolts
Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge
GlowShift Vacuum | Boost Gauge
AEM Wideband Air | Fuel Ratio Gauge
OTTP 3.0 Polished Pulley (For Stage 2 Hub)
M-8501-L54 Ford Racing Intercooler Pump
NGK Copper Spark Plugs (Part# LFR6A-11)
Used Parts
Eaton M62 Supercharger
GM Stage 2 Injectors (42lbs)
Stock LSJ Air Intake
Stock LSJ Tensioner
Stock LSJ Downpipe
Stock LSJ Idler Pulley
Stock LSJ Throttle Body
Stock LSJ Serpentine Belt
Stock LSJ Intake Manifold
Stock LSJ Exhaust Manifold
Stock LSJ Alternator Bracket
Stock LSJ Supercharger Pulley
Standard Bolts Needed (Not GM)
LSJ 1 Bar MAP To Intake Manifold
M6 x 1.0 x 25 (Qty 1)
LSJ Intake Manifold Mount Bracket To Intake Manifold
M10 X 1.50 x 50 (Qty 1)
LSJ Rear IC Pump Bracket To Intake Manifold Mount
M8 X 1.25 X 25 (Qty 2)
LSJ Front IC Pump Bracket To Rear IC Pump Bracket
M8 X 1.25 X 35 (Qty 2)
LSJ Idler Pulley To Block
M10 X 1.50 x 75 (Qty 1)
LSJ Idler Pulley To Alternator Bracket
M8 x 1.25 x 25
LSJ Intake Manifold To Block
M6 x 1.0 X 75 (Qty 2)
LSJ Alternator Bracket To Block
M8 X 1.25 X 130 (Qty 3)
LSJ SC Bypass Valve To SC
M8 X 1.25 X 20 (Qty 2)
LSJ Tensioner Lower To Alternator Bracket
M8 x 1.25 x 35
LSJ Tensioner Upper To Alternator Bracket
M8 X 1.25 x 40 not standard bolt though. Has to be metric hex socket bolt.
Yeah, but your more likely to find used SC parts than a used Turbo kit.
Probably close to the same.
08-23-2009, 02:36 AM
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okay i just added all the gm parts off the site and it came to like 643 plus lets say 500 for blower and manifold thats like around 1200 not adding any of the other parts under the used section it looks like its gonna cose a little above 2g? i mean for that I can order the zzp turbo kit right?
08-23-2009, 02:56 AM
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okay i just added all the gm parts off the site and it came to like 643 plus lets say 500 for blower and manifold thats like around 1200 not adding any of the other parts under the used section it looks like its gonna cose a little above 2g? i mean for that I can order the zzp turbo kit right?
08-23-2009, 03:18 AM
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okay but is that list every thing i need? and can't i buy everything from the gm site? o and it sayd tb on the gm parts then says he bought the tb in the used parts whats up with that?
08-23-2009, 03:34 AM
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I don't know if it's complete but if you search there are list on here.Many threads about the swap. Don't worry about the TB I'm sure he just bought one and has it on the list twice. I haven't read the whole list.
08-23-2009, 09:11 AM
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meaning like i got a turbo manifold wit a T25 flange and the turbo is a T25, so that way the flanges match up. if you get a T3 flange manifold you can bolt up T3 series turbos. and yea, a 2.5" exhaust is plenty good until you start goin over 300hp then you will want to up it to about 3"
08-23-2009, 03:16 PM
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turbos less parts. the only hard part is getting the oil feed and return lines on and the charge pipes. other than that it would be cake.
08-23-2009, 08:43 PM
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I would bet the reason why they trap faster is because they have ~40whp more stock, not to mention more argessive gearing..
I did some searching and found the guy I was talking about (Copson20). He has full bolt-ons and stage 1 cams..don't expect 180+whp... (also his dyno is corrected)
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q...Stage1Cams.jpg
163whp 150ft-lbs
I did some searching and found the guy I was talking about (Copson20). He has full bolt-ons and stage 1 cams..don't expect 180+whp... (also his dyno is corrected)
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q...Stage1Cams.jpg
163whp 150ft-lbs
08-24-2009, 12:17 AM
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well i just feel turbos easier cause less parts to **** up on. like i have no problem buying quality parts at a exspensive price the only thing i can see ebaying is the charge piping and possibly the intercooler
08-24-2009, 12:22 AM
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How do you figure that? Lets use the Stage 1 corrected Dyno...
163whp a LSJ dyno's 215whp on average stock.. (many have dynoed in the 220's)... Thats 52 WHP..
Lets say he is ~175 corrected (probably still alittle lower) on Stage 2 cams..
Thats a 40WHP diff.
Hell, Just add OTTP S1 (and nothing else) and it's got ~95+WHP on the Stage 1 Cam dyno and ~75+whp on the Stage 2 cams (guessing a generous 175whp corrected).
163whp a LSJ dyno's 215whp on average stock.. (many have dynoed in the 220's)... Thats 52 WHP..
Lets say he is ~175 corrected (probably still alittle lower) on Stage 2 cams..
Thats a 40WHP diff.
Hell, Just add OTTP S1 (and nothing else) and it's got ~95+WHP on the Stage 1 Cam dyno and ~75+whp on the Stage 2 cams (guessing a generous 175whp corrected).