NWAE Cobalt

iTrader: (1)

im just not going to argue with you cause you dont know how to read or do math, but its ok...looks like you drive a ford...maybe we should just put a blue oval around you so every one can see that your the problem...

he seems to think that a stg 2 bolted and tuned ls cant hang with an lsj from a roll...when its been PROVEN!!!

if youve kept up with his build, he was running an 11 pt afr when he dynoed at 180whp, from all estimates he should be ~200whp on that dyno, and with where we are (im a local to him) in seattle area there isnt much to correct to
so we say 195 whp MIN for him and MAYBE 210whp for a stock sc, form a roll, thats pretty damned close, and with diff gearingand such, the ls CAN keep up with an SC...and btw, with you look at the 1/8 to 1/4 mile for the him vs a stock sc youll see that its pretty much the same gains, the sc picks up all its gain on him in the first half of the track due to imidaite power

Perfect.disguise

Look at my pics aswell. I have an LSJ.

Anyways SIB you won't Jump from ~145-155 WHP to 180whp+ from just cams esp 200whp. It's ignorant as hell to say a cam will add almost 50whp on a NA bolt-on 2.2. A lot of V8's won't see that. Look at the CORRECTED dyno I showed you no it "should" be... A bolt-on cam 2.2 isn't on par with an LSJ, just look at all the other cam dynos and the track times. There is no point giving his estimate of whp..remember his guess at his track times and the disapointment? What do you mean MAYBE 210whp for a stock LSJ? Search the site there are many in the 220's stock. The gearing you mentioned goes in the favor of the LSJ. I did check the 1/8 trap to the 1/4 trap aswell, (used SS4ME since he is the only stock 1/8) What do you know..he pulls even more MPH in the back half of the 1/4 than be did at the 1/8 mark! The LSJ is just as much faster in the back half so how would it be more likely to lose ground from a roll? The diff in trap is aboult the same in comparrison with a STG2 SC and a tuned TC..not a close race from a roll. If he has any of this "NA lag" (Every car makes less power in the lower RPMs) you speak of it would only be seen on the launch and won't matter with a good driver. Just because you beat a driver on the street doesn't mean your car is the fastest. Nothing against Nwae your just way off on this. It's best to just end this here..

StrongIslandBalter

awwwwwwwwwww so theis is no way that 200whp is obtainable form bolts ons and cams or what else

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

+ raise cr and run e85........well the lsj's are able to do it now, i don't see why we can't.



p.s. you'll need bigger injectors to run e85

06_ion2

180whp is obtainable with full boltons and stage 2 cams. and yes it will hang with a stock ss/sc

Perfect.disguise

Then why are they running slower times? Stock LSJ's are turds.
Anyways FI will net you more power than cams.

StrongIslandBalter

sorry to be the wet sponge but what do you mean raise cr and run e85 and sorry if iam beating the subject so is this official that full boltons stage 2 cams will walk stock ss's

Mr.N00bLaR

iTrader: (7)

Raising the compression ratio from 10 to say 11, or 12, or more (ahh!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio

e85 -- I think thats the 'corn' fuel, dunno anything but Im sure wiki does.

He is doing a build (plus nitrous), it'll be awhile before his beast is done though...
http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=11034

StrongIslandBalter

what does corn fuel doo lol

Perfect.disguise

Official? No, they have lower dynos and slower track times. Yes, one could beat a bad driver or or probably manage a better ET on DR's but the trap will still be lower.. That is as of now, with proof.No speculation or estimates.

It has a higher octane.

StrongIslandBalter

just curious perfect where did you get all this knowledge? and do you personally think their are any pros of going full bolt ons and cams over throwing a supercharger on it. My last ? is what will a supercharger put the whp on a 2.2 with intake and exhaust(not full,just catback)

Perfect.disguise

I'm just going by all the stuff already provided ignoring all the talk until it's proven. Seriously though every one should know a 155whp 2.2 isn't going to jump to 200whp with just cams. Sure with a full NA build. I'm not saying a 2.2 can't gain more than this but look at it this way Area47 only gained 10whp switching to the GMR cams. Thats on a SC.
The only Pro I can think of is it's cheaper. I have no idea what it's like on the 2.2 but alot of times cams make it a little harsher as a DD. (though still comp doable)
I think pullied SC 2.2's are making 230++ whp.

06_ion2

disguise yes they run very close times compairing a ss/sc and bolted cammed and tune 2.2 from a roll the 2.2 will pull a stock ss/sc. and btw mustangs are slow.

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

yeah running corn is like running 110+ octane. you just can't beat it.

NWAE Cobalt

iTrader: (1)

im saying fully bolted, cammed, and tuned will gain you that..not JUST cams...
and putting cams on a stock car will gain you less hp then putting cams on a bolted car...


and 06, thats exactly right

StrongIslandBalter

so what would be a more reliable dd (S/C) with an exhasut and intake or Fully Bolted Cammed Tuned? O and after that..what do you mean pullied sc?

Perfect.disguise

Ohh noess .. being ganged up on the 2.2's. Didn't you see I have an LSJ. Yeah, Mustangs are slow, damn things can barely brake 11's aswell!

Anyways I'm done. It's all talk, anyways. Too bad you guys can't post some track times for a cammed 2.2 in the low 14's with a 98+ trap. Or even a corrected dyno making close to 200whp. Like mentioned looking at the timeslips a stock SC pulls even more mph in the back half of the 1/4. It traps alot higher and has more agressive gearing how would it get pulled from a roll? If thats really how it is show some legit proof..

Notice I said 155WHP a stock 2.2 won't come close to that, you should know that.

06_ion2

oh noez you haz a LSJ im so scurd! im sorry but im probably the quickest DD 2.2 on this forum. and can take probably 98.9% of this forum

StrongIslandBalter

hey curioisity...web surfin whats the point of say, buying a patriot ported head assembled with cams for like 1500? any gains?

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

you get gains but nothing too far off from where cammed balts are now. you're just gonna be breathing a little better and you'll have a top end you can spin the **** out of before she gives. if you want a lotta power for less, get on the bottle other then that a NA setup on these cars is only gonna dissappoint. for the time and money and the fact you will break **** along the way. you end up with mediorce power and empty pockets.

oldskool

just remember the huge amount of variables in track times. a base cobalt 2.2 with full bolt ons has a significant weight advantage over a stock ss/sc. Especiallly where it counts - those heavy ass 18" wheels on the ss/sc are not good for track duty. i love that my 1SV cav only weighs in at about 2600 lbs - each HP counts for more!

StrongIslandBalter

so spanky your saying goin full bolt on and cams would make the car less reliable then just throwing a supecharger on it? and as for the weight post idk man if rims are gonna give n/a's an advantage

NWAE Cobalt

iTrader: (1)

less rotating mass can be a huge advantage

StrongIslandBalter

is the less roatating about the wheels? and what do you think reliability wise sc or full bolt on with cams

NWAE Cobalt

iTrader: (1)

i would say either, its all up to the install lol

fully bolted and cammed, it will drive diff and act diff, but youll have power, fun, and some good looks from people when they realize its you with that lope
for sc, youll have the reliability of the kit put together (for the most part gm parts), the backing of many people who have already been there, done that, and made those mistakes, and youll car will mostly drive the same, just more power haha.


either way you go it depends on your end goal and what your willing to put up with on your car everyday