Originally Posted by Wyoming_Bass

Ok I actually just ordered the stage I cams. I want to run for a while with a n/a motor to get everything worked out that i want before i do my turbo set up (early next spring). When that goes in ill be getting a full on turbo cam. So the stage I cam will be best for me for now even with HP Tuning ill see some significant gains in the 2.2. If i dont like it ill have to wait to put the turbo kit in and then be completly happy!

Originally Posted by player_1

you know what, when you install the cams do yourself a favour, and save yourself the labour. later and update your valve springs, your going to need to tune for the turbo later, so you might as well bump the rev limiter, so you can enjoy the boost for longer.

Originally Posted by BlackLS

I was also thinking about getting a set of Set of the Stage 1 cams from TTR since I wil be staying N/A for a while. I was just hoping that someone could explain what all the specs mean so I could understand them better. I know NJHK will have something to say since he knows his stuff.

Here are the specs for the cams:

-Street (Stage 1) Applications power from 2600-6800rpm .423 intake and .419 exhaust valve lift, 252 intake and 256 exhaust duration advertized (210 intake and 212 exhaust @ .050" duration) Works best with computer modifications not required.

Thanks in advance for help.

Originally Posted by Kahless

of course 2600-6800 is the area theyre supposed to work in. the .423 and .419 are how wide the valves open in inches(net not gross), 252 and 256 is how many degrees theyre open..

and player1 edit your signature to destruction its driving me fekin nuts

Originally Posted by Kahless

of course 2600-6800 is the area theyre supposed to work in. the .423 and .419 are how wide the valves open in inches(net not gross), 252 and 256 is how many degrees theyre open..

and player1 edit your signature to destruction its driving me fekin nuts

Originally Posted by IonNinja

so what can the 2.2 actually rev to before it needs a new valvetrain? assuming that we can actually make power over 6500.

Originally Posted by Kahless

build book says 6500 is the limit of the stock springs. but only springs need to be changed for 7500

Originally Posted by NJHK

Sorry but it seems like gratuitist spending to me. I mean, you know you're going to boost and you know you want a "boost" camshaft...so why spend the money for one now? I hope you're not paying labor either...you're talking about $550-800 depending on who does the work.

Originally Posted by slowion2

you know I read that, and then heard a rumor that the 2.2 and 2.0 springs were the same, which I"m fairly sure they're not especially with that note if info.

not a bad idea to look into the bates springs and valves, I wish I had done that when I did my head swap but oh well

Originally Posted by Kahless

i was looking at trip springs for my merc to try and get it above 9000, but thats alot of spring pressure.

Originally Posted by player_1

appearently the stock spring will let you safely tune to a &k limit. but not if you have cams.

thats why I upgraded to the Bates valvetrain with the dual coil spring. now i'm easily safe to 8k

Originally Posted by Wyoming_Bass

My buddy (the guy who has givin me his injectors and such) has spent a massive amount of money in the past with them. They are gonna get into the 2.2 computer for him, so we can tune my car. But hey remember im the ******* with the SS badges on my car. I will however let you 2.2 guys know whats up when i get mine tuned with the cams and bigger injectors in.

He had problems with them not wanting to mess with the Alero and he just put it to them i have spent money (over 10k) with you and your not gonna support my alero? they did this was a while ago now he has his SS/SC and I have my lil 2.2 so he said the same to them and they are gonna do it like they did with his alero.

Originally Posted by WopOnTour

HPT is quite a ways away from getting functional with the E16 ECM used with the 2.2. There's just not enough cars to warrant it (2.2 Cobalts and IONs only) The Alero (as most other N-bodies) uses the same P11 PCM as the J-bodies and such so it was a no brainer.
Last I mentioned it to Chris at HPT - 2.2 support was "months away"
WopOnTour

Originally Posted by Wyoming_Bass

I am not paying for the labor I am doing it myself. The reason to do the mild stage one cam is to play with a N/A car for a while. When I do go to a turbo setup ill be doing a bunch of engine work. I just want to do this for now and see where it goes!

Originally Posted by player_1

I'm not entirely convinced it's even worth bumping it that high.

the Torque already starts to fall after 5000RPM, so if you change gears at 7-7500RPM your still up, at the top of your torque curve, so you'll still accelerate quickly.

plus if you plan on upgrading it to a 9k limit, you'd better beef up EVERYTHING internaly like Victory_Red_SS.

Originally Posted by Kahless

the internal buffing will come soon enough... but the cobalt i would be happy revving to 7500. i was talking about revving my 65mercury with a ford 289 to 9000+. it can already do 8 but i want it to scream.