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Old 10-02-2010, 09:41 PM
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Catless 2.2

I just swapped my stock DP for a 2.5 catless DP. The swap went nice and easy. I took it out for a test drive and at first when I was at idle I thought it sounded pretty good. I got to driving and at low speeds again I thought it sounded good. I got out the main roads and on the highway and punched it. I noticed that when I'm on the throttle hard, and just before I hit 4000 RPMS it sounds like **** althe way until I let off the throttle.

has anyone else had any type of issues that caused this to happen?
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why catless it always sounds worse on stock exhaust
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i had to put a ss/sc resonator when i went catless.without it i had rasp at 2000 rpm lol

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Originally Posted by Spanky's Monkey
why catless it always sounds worse on stock exhaust
Well I wasn't exactly looking for catless, but heard the gains were good. I had a 3in catless DP that I bought cheap $40 and then I had it up for trade or sale. I ended up trading it for the 2.5 catless DP. Had I known what it was going to sound like I would have been looking for a 2.5 with a Hi flow cat.
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It sounds good with a magnaflow
Old 10-02-2010, 10:15 PM
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i have a zzp 3" with hi-flo cat and a 2.5" out and a wideband bung+plug. no good to me nows. oh well.
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Originally Posted by Spanky's Monkey
i have a zzp 3" with hi-flo cat and a 2.5" out and a wideband bung+plug. no good to me nows. oh well.
If I get another DP, it will be a trade and maybe some cash for a hi flow 2.5in DP.
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I'm running a hollowed out cat off my 2.2 and lsj cat back to a magaflow race muffler. Sounds amazing.
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Originally Posted by flyg5
I'm running a hollowed out cat off my 2.2 and lsj cat back to a magaflow race muffler. Sounds amazing.
i believe it was sport compact mag did a dyno test between catted gutted and catless.with gutted you actually lose power.
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i believe it was sport compact mag did a dyno test between catted gutted and catless.with gutted you actually lose power.
Was that for a cobalt/g5? And whats the difference between catless and gutted? Isn't that pretty much the same thing? Unless you get a long tube header, these are about the same. A free flowing exhaust system is the best. Catylitic converters purpose is mainly the reburn of exhaust fumes. And are very resrictive for flow. The stock muffler is also very restrictive. The less restrictions and the better the flow means better performance. I saw amazing feel to my car after doing the gutted cat and lsj exhaust and I wouldnt change it for the world.
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Originally Posted by 1LowLS
i believe it was sport compact mag did a dyno test between catted gutted and catless.with gutted you actually lose power.
Was that for a cobalt/g5? And whats the difference between catless and gutted? Isn't that pretty much the same thing? Unless you get a long tube header, these are about the same. A free flowing exhaust system is the best. Catylitic converters purpose is mainly the reburn of exhaust fumes. And are very resrictive for flow. The stock muffler is also very restrictive. The less restrictions and the better the flow means better performance. I saw amazing feel to my car after doing the gutted cat and lsj exhaust and I wouldnt change it for the world.
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Originally Posted by 1LowLS
i believe it was sport compact mag did a dyno test between catted gutted and catless.with gutted you actually lose power.
Was that for a cobalt/g5? And whats the difference between catless and gutted? Isn't that pretty much the same thing? Unless you get a long tube header, these are about the same. A free flowing exhaust system is the best. Catylitic converters purpose is mainly the reburn of exhaust fumes. And are very resrictive for flow. The stock muffler is also very restrictive. The less restrictions and the better the flow means better performance. I saw amazing feel to my car after doing the gutted cat and lsj exhaust and I wouldnt change it for the world.
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Wow triple post! Stupid iPhone...
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Originally Posted by flyg5
Was that for a cobalt/g5? And whats the difference between catless and gutted? Isn't that pretty much the same thing? Unless you get a long tube header, these are about the same. A free flowing exhaust system is the best. Catylitic converters purpose is mainly the reburn of exhaust fumes. And are very resrictive for flow. The stock muffler is also very restrictive. The less restrictions and the better the flow means better performance. I saw amazing feel to my car after doing the gutted cat and lsj exhaust and I wouldnt change it for the world.
no not the same thing at all.gutted is you have a hallowed cat.meaning now you have a large open cannister that the exhaust loses velocity.catless is a down pipe with no cat,which is whats on mine.no cannister,just straight pipe from header to catback.i noticed a huge difference from going from gutted to catless on my buddys 2.2.I wasnt asking for a tutorial on exhaust systems lol.i know.
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I don't need the sarcasm. I was just explaining what was on my mind. I was rinning a custom 2.5 inch cat delete. How come I went from a cat delete back to a gutted cat and saw a big increase in power? As long as you keep some kind of restriction some where in the system it runs fine. I made sure I talked to a profesional exhaust tech before I did it. He said that I would actualy see a slight increase. And that it is some what beneficial mod.
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Mabye ur ass dyno is broke?
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Originally Posted by flyg5
I don't need the sarcasm. I was just explaining what was on my mind. I was rinning a custom 2.5 inch cat delete. How come I went from a cat delete back to a gutted cat and saw a big increase in power? As long as you keep some kind of restriction some where in the system it runs fine. I made sure I talked to a profesional exhaust tech before I did it. He said that I would actualy see a slight increase. And that it is some what beneficial mod.
im going off of whats been tested on a actual dyno.And did you really get rid of restriction?mayb a little but you have a huge cannister for exhaust gasses to bounce around instead of having a straight path out.messing with the velocity and flow of the gasses.like i said im going by whats ben tested and published on paper.and sarcasm?none in there,if there was it would be worse then what you apparently "picked up"
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Mabye ur ass dyno is broke?
i was thinking it was too.i put my le5 intake mani on and the butt dyno was going nuts.went to the track with the same conditions as my best time and couldnt even get close to it.stoopid butt dyno

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You also had th heater on one of those runs Steve... If my butt dyno works correctly still your car is faster because of it!
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ya but even yet with the tune still doesnt come close.all will not matter soon about this manifold as another will take its place.one with a actual paper gasket...one made of aluminum...and..................laminovas
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And then the rapage of bitches will commence haha
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i might do a dual pass and 2.9 lol im going back and forth.just a couple more parts
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That sounds safe to me.
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Originally Posted by 1LowLS
im going off of whats been tested on a actual dyno.And did you really get rid of restriction?mayb a little but you have a huge cannister for exhaust gasses to bounce around instead of having a straight path out.
sure at idle. but at wot it has no choice but to move. your engine makes the initial pressure out.

and if your going to say it was shown on a dyno then show us the charts. and you also forgot to mention if it was a cobalt/g5, every car is different.
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cobalt and g5 are the same car dude... One has a pontiac emblem one has a chevy emblem. That's the difference. lol
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i have a high flow and it sounds like a honda when the exhaust is still reasonably cold.

once it starts heating up it gets nice and deep.


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