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10-06-2009, 01:18 PM
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depends on if u want constant power or just temporary power, manifold swap, injen CAI, and header back exhaust w/ tune r the easiest and cheapest mods to gain power unless u what i'm doin and do all those previous mods plus throw a 75shot on once so u'll hav good throttle response as a DD put hav the power when some kid starts revin at u at a street light
10-06-2009, 01:58 PM
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PE=power enrichment, from factory there is a delay in power enrichment, its something like 5seconds, dont remember, but when u go full throttle, ur not really getting all the power u should be getting...so removing the delay will give u on demand access to w/e power u r making, w/out a delayed reaction from the car
10-06-2009, 02:07 PM
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my set up when i get every i need is goin to run me $600 shipped, thats gettin a full set up, swapping out the arming switch and activation switch to a better one, purge kit, and a remote pressure gauge w/ pod and a filled n2o 10lb bottle
10-06-2009, 08:54 PM
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Why did GM program the car with the lag from PE?
It makes no sense to me.
I also wonder this, people with the Trifecta tuning are getting better MPG too.
Why the F would GM not sit down and tune it better for more HP and better MPG from the factory?
They would have benefitted by having the press that these cars get 39MPG freeway and 31 inner city. To boot they would have closer to 158hp and 165lbs torque.
Think of all the people hopping on that product.
I sometimes wonder if to qualify for a corporate position, you must be complete retard.
Everyone wondering about office policy knows what I mean.
It makes no sense to me.
I also wonder this, people with the Trifecta tuning are getting better MPG too.
Why the F would GM not sit down and tune it better for more HP and better MPG from the factory?
They would have benefitted by having the press that these cars get 39MPG freeway and 31 inner city. To boot they would have closer to 158hp and 165lbs torque.
Think of all the people hopping on that product.
I sometimes wonder if to qualify for a corporate position, you must be complete retard.
Everyone wondering about office policy knows what I mean.
10-06-2009, 09:05 PM
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Why did GM program the car with the lag from PE?
It makes no sense to me.
I also wonder this, people with the Trifecta tuning are getting better MPG too.
Why the F would GM not sit down and tune it better for more HP and better MPG from the factory?
They would have benefitted by having the press that these cars get 39MPG freeway and 31 inner city. To boot they would have closer to 158hp and 165lbs torque.
Think of all the people hopping on that product.
I sometimes wonder if to qualify for a corporate position, you must be complete retard.
Everyone wondering about office policy knows what I mean.
It makes no sense to me.
I also wonder this, people with the Trifecta tuning are getting better MPG too.
Why the F would GM not sit down and tune it better for more HP and better MPG from the factory?
They would have benefitted by having the press that these cars get 39MPG freeway and 31 inner city. To boot they would have closer to 158hp and 165lbs torque.
Think of all the people hopping on that product.
I sometimes wonder if to qualify for a corporate position, you must be complete retard.
Everyone wondering about office policy knows what I mean.
10-06-2009, 09:31 PM
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one of those ebay chips that are $24 for 300hp and give you 50mpg
jk hp doesnt really ever come cheap cause you do one thing and you want more or end up having to do supporting mods....but nitrous ftw for inexpensive hp.
jk hp doesnt really ever come cheap cause you do one thing and you want more or end up having to do supporting mods....but nitrous ftw for inexpensive hp.
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10-06-2009, 09:36 PM
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Nothing is cheap. A good intake, catback or full exhaust, a few other things and a tune and ull be good.
and like purplehaze said:
those ebay chips work great. You should see at least 300hp with them.
and like purplehaze said:
those ebay chips work great. You should see at least 300hp with them.
10-06-2009, 09:37 PM
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the delay is probably so people dont get surprised...and so you dont break stuff
In fact, you need the power on demand for certain situations on the road.
As for breaking something, after hearing people rate the automatic tranny for being able to take up to 250hp and the motor for a little more when completely stock, a floor it moment shouldn't hurt anything when stock at 148hp as the max output.
Even if they do nothing about the lag, they should have dialed these in for optimum fuel mileage. It is a key selling point in this day and age.
The one car that had the worst lag I owned was actually my 1997 Firebird with the 3.8 series motor and auto tranny. I would punch it on the freeway and it would get loud, go nowhere, then pull only after 3 seconds of lag. It was frustrating...
On the Cobalt I don't feel it lagging for 5 seconds, it feels like 2 seconds, but then again the process probably that is being mentioned does last that long.
I sometimes have incredible up and go on the freeway, and sometimes I get the high rev go nowhere moment. I hate that...
It never seems to happen under 45mph (inner city).
10-06-2009, 09:46 PM
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People shouldn't be surprised that the car goes when the gas is mashed down.
In fact, you need the power on demand for certain situations on the road.
As for breaking something, after hearing people rate the automatic tranny for being able to take up to 250hp and the motor for a little more when completely stock, a floor it moment shouldn't hurt anything when stock at 148hp as the max output.
Even if they do nothing about the lag, they should have dialed these in for optimum fuel mileage. It is a key selling point in this day and age.
The one car that had the worst lag I owned was actually my 1997 Firebird with the 3.8 series motor and auto tranny. I would punch it on the freeway and it would get loud, go nowhere, then pull only after 3 seconds of lag. It was frustrating...
On the Cobalt I don't feel it lagging for 5 seconds, it feels like 2 seconds, but then again the process probably that is being mentioned does last that long.
I sometimes have incredible up and go on the freeway, and sometimes I get the high rev go nowhere moment. I hate that...
It never seems to happen under 45mph (inner city).
In fact, you need the power on demand for certain situations on the road.
As for breaking something, after hearing people rate the automatic tranny for being able to take up to 250hp and the motor for a little more when completely stock, a floor it moment shouldn't hurt anything when stock at 148hp as the max output.
Even if they do nothing about the lag, they should have dialed these in for optimum fuel mileage. It is a key selling point in this day and age.
The one car that had the worst lag I owned was actually my 1997 Firebird with the 3.8 series motor and auto tranny. I would punch it on the freeway and it would get loud, go nowhere, then pull only after 3 seconds of lag. It was frustrating...
On the Cobalt I don't feel it lagging for 5 seconds, it feels like 2 seconds, but then again the process probably that is being mentioned does last that long.
I sometimes have incredible up and go on the freeway, and sometimes I get the high rev go nowhere moment. I hate that...
It never seems to happen under 45mph (inner city).
10-06-2009, 10:13 PM
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It gives them room to better tune the car when they need to up their sales or change something for future years haha
Unfortunately...
The Dodge Daytona 2.2 and 2.5 turbo was a prime example of this.
The car was completely detuned.
All that was needed was a Super 60 turbo swap, injectors, and the stage III computer swap and then bam, you have close to 300hp and 340lbs of torque.
With just the Stage I, nothing but a computer swap was required and it raised the boost level and changed the AFR data. I believe the boost went up 3 psi, which equated to 30 more horses. That is pretty nice considering how little those Stage I computers cost today. 30hp for $100 or less, nice.
The parts today are so cheap to make the Super 60 swap, the Daytona is a very good value. They cost $1-2000, and the parts to make it 300hp is under $800.
In stock form, my 2.2 turbo Shelby every single time would get 370 miles on the trip and only take in 10 gallons of gas. It had better gas mileage than my Geo Storm and my Cobalt LS.
It's 0-60 was around 7.5 seconds, but it was completely stock and had a lot of miles on it.
My wife's Daytona was unfortunately a 2.5 TBI non-turbo. It got 27-28MPG average, and was modded to death. All those mods and it was still slower than my stock turbo 2.2 Shelby.
I should have kept the Shelby, but it was at a time that I had the Storm, my Dad just gave me his Dodge Spirit LE and I had the Daytona Shelby. I kept the car with the least miles, the Storm and sold the other 2. I modded the heck out of the Storm and the computer wigged out not knowing how to compensate. Back then, I did not know about piggy back computers and tuning. Today I am only aware of tuning and what it can do and what it is needed for. Back then I thought tuning was getting the plugs done, wires checked and an oil change, lol.
10-07-2009, 12:13 AM
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I understand what you are saying.
The problem is I find hindering my performance in the name of preventing a couple seconds of carbon emissions, is ludicrous.
There are times when I find myself getting on the freeway and a wall of tards are there not letting me in. I see a gap ahead, punch it, and make it in is optimum. Or, I punch it, the car waits 5 seconds to get me max passing power and I hit a concrete barrier instead.
Consider slamming the brakes to slow enough to let the wall of tards go by as not an option as there is not enough stopping distance to clear. Letting the guy behind me ram me, then my car going into a spin is not an option.
In other words, there are times, I have to have a good passing gear as my life depends on a predictable acceleration.
I guess my other point is that if GM tuned it better, there should be less emissions as a result.
People with Trifecta tuning are reporting better gas mileage, and as such, less gas per mile means less carbon output per mile.
So the 5 second lag in the name of emissions, has to be a non issue only because in the end people with the Trifecta tuning that bypasses this lag are getting better mileage.
I guess my other point is that if GM tuned it better, there should be less emissions as a result.
People with Trifecta tuning are reporting better gas mileage, and as such, less gas per mile means less carbon output per mile.
So the 5 second lag in the name of emissions, has to be a non issue only because in the end people with the Trifecta tuning that bypasses this lag are getting better mileage.
The problem is I find hindering my performance in the name of preventing a couple seconds of carbon emissions, is ludicrous.
There are times when I find myself getting on the freeway and a wall of tards are there not letting me in. I see a gap ahead, punch it, and make it in is optimum. Or, I punch it, the car waits 5 seconds to get me max passing power and I hit a concrete barrier instead.
Consider slamming the brakes to slow enough to let the wall of tards go by as not an option as there is not enough stopping distance to clear. Letting the guy behind me ram me, then my car going into a spin is not an option.
In other words, there are times, I have to have a good passing gear as my life depends on a predictable acceleration.
I guess my other point is that if GM tuned it better, there should be less emissions as a result.
People with Trifecta tuning are reporting better gas mileage, and as such, less gas per mile means less carbon output per mile.
So the 5 second lag in the name of emissions, has to be a non issue only because in the end people with the Trifecta tuning that bypasses this lag are getting better mileage.
I guess my other point is that if GM tuned it better, there should be less emissions as a result.
People with Trifecta tuning are reporting better gas mileage, and as such, less gas per mile means less carbon output per mile.
So the 5 second lag in the name of emissions, has to be a non issue only because in the end people with the Trifecta tuning that bypasses this lag are getting better mileage.
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10-07-2009, 12:14 AM
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I choose fast and reliable, lol.
I guess my other point is that if GM tuned it better, there should be less emissions as a result.
People with Trifecta tuning are reporting better gas mileage, and as such, less gas per mile means less carbon output per mile.
So the 5 second lag in the name of emissions, has to be a non issue only because in the end people with the Trifecta tuning that bypasses this lag are getting better mileage.
I guess my other point is that if GM tuned it better, there should be less emissions as a result.
People with Trifecta tuning are reporting better gas mileage, and as such, less gas per mile means less carbon output per mile.
So the 5 second lag in the name of emissions, has to be a non issue only because in the end people with the Trifecta tuning that bypasses this lag are getting better mileage.
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