ub3rn00ber

This is something im considering, ive read the other posts and its said that it is a PITA. But what makes it so hard? What else will i need to supercharge a 2.2.

The reason i want to do it is because i have over 30,000 in my ion(total), and i dont want to trade it it for 11,000. Ive spent to much time and $ making it how i want.

Ok so if i have the Supercharger, manifold, throttle body, intercooler, injectors, gauges, and standalone fuel management. What else would i need to do/buy to make it work? I want a little over 200 hp with this, bigger TB, light flywheel, and a LSJ exaust manifold, catback exaust. Is that going to be possible, or is it going to = blown ecotec?

show off

the easiest option is the gm performance supercharger kit for the 2.2L ecotec.
comes with everythign you need but tuning. and it looks like tunning will be coming our way by the end of the year anyway.

ub3rn00ber

ya but i can get all the stuff i listed of a car with low miles for less than 650 (not the fuel managment though)

Oh and i work at a fab shop, so the air intake and that stuff are covered.

Halfcent

If I understand you correctly, you are stripping an LSJ supercharger off another car and wanting to use it on your L61. Having the parts is one thing. You will also need a tuning solution, and probably some custom mounting work. Your stock engine will be fine at those power levels.

yellowshowbalt

buy it !!!!!!! if you want it if you look at my pics you will see every thing it takes to put a sc on a 2.2 including bolts but if you look closely you will see my stock tb with the bolt holes bored out with a plane plate in between them.

ub3rn00ber

I have to tune it? i couldnt just run low boost untill 2.2 is supported?

Also the mounting work isnt a big deal, but what exactly and i going to need to move around?

I work at a machine shop, they are going to make me a custom CNCed spacer, if you want one ill see what there going to cost retail. My guess is 20-40$.

NJHK

You invested over 20 grand into a Ion? What did you do to it?

ub3rn00ber

I spend a little over 15,000 on the car, its a LVL3. And the tranny stuff was over 1000$ to install!!

PICS: http://www.atv-avenger.com/car/

My stupid self dropped 5k into a system the first day i got the car... Now im taking it out cause it makes my rmps drop, or ima get a RL alt.

also just got in my dash hawk for it. I also have some custom floor mats being made.

Suspension:
- FE2 Rear Axle (my car had a fe1 for some reason)
- Eibach Springs
- Progress rear sway bar
- Bwoody Traction bars
- Bwoody end links
- torque dampener
- JS strut tower brace
- Redline front sway bar

Brakes/wheels:
- SSBC Disk brakes, Front and Rear conversion
- Falken wheels/Tires


Tranny:
- Alu. Flywheel
- SPEC 2+ clutch
- Quafe Limited Slip Differential

Engine:
- AEM Cold air intake
- Big bore Throttle body
- Cat back exhaust

Interior:
- Recaro Seats
- TWM Shortshifer
- Custom gauge cluster
- Custom Ebrake


System:
- Punch 1200w 4chan amp
- 4 Boston SP65 6.5”
- Pioneer Premier DEH-P960MP

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thats a hell of a list. in all honesty. please buy the kit, it gives you everything you need minus the tunning that isnt available yet. and no fab mounting work needed. even if you change a set of cams from here on, youll need to tune the car to use the fuel and spark timing correctly.

ub3rn00ber

I can do that with the MSD unit. Is that the only thing i need to adjust?

I cant afford the kit, i can afford like 1400 WITH tuning. I can get all the the components used for ~600-700

show off

as far as i know the msd will only control the spark but not the fuel also it wont be able to be driven on the street for emisions.... i have heard alot of peeps haveing good results with megasquirt and its emisions friendly. its a stand alone piggyback that must be wired in. there is alot on it in ecotecforums.com. id go ck up on it there.

Halfcent

Okay everybody, hold it. I don't think people know what they are talking about here. Let's be clear.

You have an L61. What car? What year? What do you already have?

ub3rn00ber

I have an 04 saturn ion lvl 3 QC. Thats a 2.2 ecotec, L61.

I have nothing but as soon as i confirm i can make it work, im going to paypal the $ over so i can get the stuff, that i listed in my first post.

Halfcent

You can't do it. You don't have enough budget and there is no tuning solution for your ECM yet. You could use an SMT-6, but then you won't have anything left to get the parts to work together.

ub3rn00ber

How much would it cost? Can you give me a guess on prices?

Red2.4SS/SC

id say about 5-6 grand

Halfcent

You said you have a $1400 budget. You are spending $700 on the used supercharger parts. That leaves $700 for whatever you tuning solution is going to be, which could easily be all of that. That leaves little to nothing for your extra parts and materials. And since you are going to need to do some custom bracket fabricating, you will need some extra bank.

ub3rn00ber

Nah any fab work or welding will be done through work (for free). And if i have to i can charge a few hundred on my credit card. What else will i need?

Oh and after i buy the tuneing stuff its free, my tuner owes me one.

LewiSS

I agree - it's the little stuff that adds up.

I believe the SMT-6 is about $400. I thought Megasquirt was a replacement ECM solution, but I may be mistaken.

ub3rn00ber

With SMT-6 would i not need standalone fuel managment?

NJHK

No...that's why you have a SMT-6, it is your fuel management unit, it's just not a standalone.

ub3rn00ber

Oh thats cool. Is it easy to mess with? After i get it tuned can i still do little tweeks or does it not work that way?

What little stuff will i need to get the sc running?

So im going to need to brace the SC to the block? Anyone have a pic of what it looks like factory?

NJHK

I am not really the person to answer your question on how exactly it works...that's more of a question for maybe Halfcent or Witt but you should be able to adjust whenever.

Go on ecotecforum.com and look at the pictures of the L61s in the J-bodies with the GM Supercharger kit...it's the same M62 supercharger. I can name like 3 or 4 members on there with the kit.

Sw4y1313

The SMT-6 will adjust your fuel and timing with ease. The programming software for it is real simple. The thing is, you will either have to hook your current injectors to the SMT-6(it can run up to 16), or do a 5th injector setup like i have. If your going to just run your 4 injectors off the SMT-6, i would get bigger ones =P.

Chris_Leslie

Hey guys i was told that putting a charger on a 2.2l was not possible it would mess up your engine hardcore. Thats why they put it on a 2.0l and not a 2.2l.