This Could Start A War Turbo Or Superchaged
03-04-2009, 04:56 PM
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exactly im going to be happy if i make 400whp and i almost have 8k into it.
03-04-2009, 07:58 PM
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wow i hope you're really not that dumb. i'll not go there.
375 will be a piece of cake when I have a few grand to throw around, including the cost of a tvs. look at area, 3XX hp and nothing but springs and something else, nothing close to what I'm fathoming.
think of it as, ralli's build, but with a TVS. sounds about right.
375 will be a piece of cake when I have a few grand to throw around, including the cost of a tvs. look at area, 3XX hp and nothing but springs and something else, nothing close to what I'm fathoming.
think of it as, ralli's build, but with a TVS. sounds about right.
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03-04-2009, 09:58 PM
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03-04-2009, 11:23 PM
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And fyi for all, there is a person who is very knowledgable, that ran a 2.5 pulley on his car for how long, and posted his dyno sheets up on RLF. you wanna know what most people thought the sheet was of? a turbo'd lsj. just some food for thought.
03-05-2009, 12:36 AM
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I'm sure we will start to be seeing that trend diminish soon lol.
And fyi for all, there is a person who is very knowledgable, that ran a 2.5 pulley on his car for how long, and posted his dyno sheets up on RLF. you wanna know what most people thought the sheet was of? a turbo'd lsj. just some food for thought.
And fyi for all, there is a person who is very knowledgable, that ran a 2.5 pulley on his car for how long, and posted his dyno sheets up on RLF. you wanna know what most people thought the sheet was of? a turbo'd lsj. just some food for thought.
03-05-2009, 06:09 AM
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http://www.ionforums.com/forums/tuni...bers-like.html
03-05-2009, 01:23 PM
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My bad it wasn't a dyno sheet but you get the jist.
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03-05-2009, 05:51 PM
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so if you know what your doing, or hang out with people who know then:
TURBO= CHEAPER
TURBO= RELIABLE
TURBO= MORE POWER
03-05-2009, 05:53 PM
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All that money man. Thats my point. I bought all the parts for my turbo kit for alot less then just a Tvs. I still have a 100% stock motor, but yet i make more power. After he does all the stuff you just mentioned, he might hit that number. All i have to do is turn up the boost and add some timing. And I could have sworn he said 340.
so if you know what your doing, or hang out with people who know then:
TURBO= CHEAPER
TURBO= RELIABLE
TURBO= MORE POWER
so if you know what your doing, or hang out with people who know then:
TURBO= CHEAPER
TURBO= RELIABLE
TURBO= MORE POWER
TVS is more of a challange though, which is the draw for me.
I'd love a turbo motor don't get me wrong, but a TVS would be more rewarding when I hit my goal.
03-05-2009, 07:04 PM
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Turbo is easier than a TVS if you know what you're pieceing together and want to go cheap on an off brand turbo.
TVS is more of a challange though, which is the draw for me.
I'd love a turbo motor don't get me wrong, but a TVS would be more rewarding when I hit my goal.
TVS is more of a challange though, which is the draw for me.
I'd love a turbo motor don't get me wrong, but a TVS would be more rewarding when I hit my goal.
03-05-2009, 07:31 PM
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03-05-2009, 07:48 PM
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now your arguing just to argue. like i said before, if you know what your doing or know people who do...
03-05-2009, 07:59 PM
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I could piece together a basic "hold me over" kit for probably 1-2k, not including other things that may need to be addressed (catback, dp, clutch, etc). The hardest part would be getting I/C piping to fit properly. Def not hard if you know what you're doing, totally agreed.
03-05-2009, 08:14 PM
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GT2871 = $1300
Quality turbo manifold = $300+
Oil hoses
Coolant hoses(if water cooled)
intercooler
intercooler pipes and fabrication
oil drain drilling
etc.
Numerous custom parts and either extensive fabrication skills or considerable cash outlay required for "ready-made" system, permanent mods required to engine.
M62=$1100
Manifold $400
bolts, brackets pulleys, etc. $225
HE= $275
intercooler pump and wiring.
No custom parts required, all parts needed readily available and almost always direct bolt-in, no fabrication skills or expensive "ready-made" kits required. no irreversible mods required.
When youre talking new parts the turbo kit CAN be cheaper IF you are a skilled fabricator(or are okay with whatever crap you make yourself, LOL) but the SC is still easier to install, and all the parts are available from numerous sources, and any part from store X will work with the parts you get from store Y, the same cant be said for turbo. Since so few people go new the price drops considerably, used complete SC kits have been trading hands at around $800, the same cant be said for turbo kits, factor in ease of install and the SC is the clear winner by a long shot for an otherwise stock L61, which is what the thread was about.
Quality turbo manifold = $300+
Oil hoses
Coolant hoses(if water cooled)
intercooler
intercooler pipes and fabrication
oil drain drilling
etc.
Numerous custom parts and either extensive fabrication skills or considerable cash outlay required for "ready-made" system, permanent mods required to engine.
M62=$1100
Manifold $400
bolts, brackets pulleys, etc. $225
HE= $275
intercooler pump and wiring.
No custom parts required, all parts needed readily available and almost always direct bolt-in, no fabrication skills or expensive "ready-made" kits required. no irreversible mods required.
When youre talking new parts the turbo kit CAN be cheaper IF you are a skilled fabricator(or are okay with whatever crap you make yourself, LOL) but the SC is still easier to install, and all the parts are available from numerous sources, and any part from store X will work with the parts you get from store Y, the same cant be said for turbo. Since so few people go new the price drops considerably, used complete SC kits have been trading hands at around $800, the same cant be said for turbo kits, factor in ease of install and the SC is the clear winner by a long shot for an otherwise stock L61, which is what the thread was about.
03-05-2009, 08:18 PM
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GT2871 = $1300
Quality turbo manifold = $300+
Oil hoses
Coolant hoses(if water cooled)
intercooler
intercooler pipes and fabrication
oil drain drilling
etc.
Numerous custom parts and either extensive fabrication skills or considerable cash outlay required for "ready-made" system, permanent mods required to engine.
M62=$1100
Manifold $400
bolts, brackets pulleys, etc. $225
HE= $275
intercooler pump and wiring.
No custom parts required, all parts needed readily available and almost always direct bolt-in, no fabrication skills or expensive "ready-made" kits required. no irreversible mods required.
When youre talking new parts the turbo kit CAN be cheaper IF you are a skilled fabricator(or are okay with whatever crap you make yourself, LOL) but the SC is still easier to install, and all the parts are available from numerous sources, and any part from store X will work with the parts you get from store Y, the same cant be said for turbo. Since so few people go new the price drops considerably, used complete SC kits have been trading hands at around $800, the same cant be said for turbo kits, factor in ease of install and the SC is the clear winner by a long shot for an otherwise stock L61, which is what the thread was about.
Quality turbo manifold = $300+
Oil hoses
Coolant hoses(if water cooled)
intercooler
intercooler pipes and fabrication
oil drain drilling
etc.
Numerous custom parts and either extensive fabrication skills or considerable cash outlay required for "ready-made" system, permanent mods required to engine.
M62=$1100
Manifold $400
bolts, brackets pulleys, etc. $225
HE= $275
intercooler pump and wiring.
No custom parts required, all parts needed readily available and almost always direct bolt-in, no fabrication skills or expensive "ready-made" kits required. no irreversible mods required.
When youre talking new parts the turbo kit CAN be cheaper IF you are a skilled fabricator(or are okay with whatever crap you make yourself, LOL) but the SC is still easier to install, and all the parts are available from numerous sources, and any part from store X will work with the parts you get from store Y, the same cant be said for turbo. Since so few people go new the price drops considerably, used complete SC kits have been trading hands at around $800, the same cant be said for turbo kits, factor in ease of install and the SC is the clear winner by a long shot for an otherwise stock L61, which is what the thread was about.
Now taht I think about it, tehre was a s/c setup on ebay for 200 some, s/c manifold pulley system fuel rail injectors, virtually everything to plug and play, i forgot about this thread or i woulda sent the op a link. cheap as hell considering the m62 alone could go for that.
03-05-2009, 09:52 PM
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you got a hell of a deal then.. ive seen em sell on here for $250. $300-$500 is the typical range i see for M62's these days
you said no one will hit the 375whp mark... all i did was prove to you it is easily possible, and then some. I didnt say it would be cheaper....
as for areas #s, i thought he said 348whp, so i rounded up
All that money man. Thats my point. I bought all the parts for my turbo kit for alot less then just a Tvs. I still have a 100% stock motor, but yet i make more power. After he does all the stuff you just mentioned, he might hit that number. All i have to do is turn up the boost and add some timing. And I could have sworn he said 340.
so if you know what your doing, or hang out with people who know then:
TURBO= CHEAPER
TURBO= RELIABLE
TURBO= MORE POWER
so if you know what your doing, or hang out with people who know then:
TURBO= CHEAPER
TURBO= RELIABLE
TURBO= MORE POWER
as for areas #s, i thought he said 348whp, so i rounded up
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03-05-2009, 10:38 PM
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Trust me, turbo comes with a lot of headache and cash spent compared to a supercharger. Everything on a supercharged build literally bolts up and ready to go. No impossible angles, no custom downpipe to make, no custom intake manifolds, no running pipes or worrying about couplers coming off, or losing boost pressure (normally). On a setup like mine, you'd be retarded if you didn't just build the motor and run big boost after all that cash and time spent.
But if you absolutely must have that wheeeeeeeeeee pshhhht sound, then go ahead.
But if you absolutely must have that wheeeeeeeeeee pshhhht sound, then go ahead.
03-06-2009, 08:07 AM
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you got a hell of a deal then.. ive seen em sell on here for $250. $300-$500 is the typical range i see for M62's these days
you said no one will hit the 375whp mark... all i did was prove to you it is easily possible, and then some. I didnt say it would be cheaper....
as for areas #s, i thought he said 348whp, so i rounded up
you said no one will hit the 375whp mark... all i did was prove to you it is easily possible, and then some. I didnt say it would be cheaper....
as for areas #s, i thought he said 348whp, so i rounded up
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03-06-2009, 08:20 AM
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This thread really is funny to me. People who never built a turbo or supercharged car other then a slow balt talking about turbo lag and superchargers are better. Talking about turbo lag is silly. For this guy asking a question about supercharged or turbo the answer is quite easy. Turbocharged would be much better. All he has to do it match a turbo to his stock motor and run about 8-10psi. A turbo will be much more efficient at lower psi then a supercharger. He will need bigger injectors, front mount intercooler, turbocharger, piping, and a tune. Sounds pretty simple to me, and just as cheap as a supercharged kit. Keep in mind, this is going to be a stock motor. None forged internals so nitrous and high boost is out of the question. We all know a M62 is not going to make much power at all @ 8-12psi.