Tom in CO

I drive alot of miles per day and was thinking about buying one of these kits. For my car, 2006 Cobalt LS, this kit is about $370, from what I understand it "tells" your injectors how to handle the E85. Here the E85 is $2.09 and the regular is $2.99 per gal. I know that I drive about 130 miles per day 95% of it on the highway. Just wondering and value your opinions.

Thanks,
Tom

D4u2s0t

take into consideration tha you get less mpg with e85. the main benefit is that it burns cleaner. but you will get less miles per fillup. that being said, it's probably not worth it unless you're an environment freak.

Belto

excuse my ignorance but what is E85, I guess is a tipe of fuel..

XM15

^^^What D4 said. There is less energy in ethanol, therefore less mpg.

Its ethanol. The big push from corn country.

D4u2s0t

a few things about e85, you will get about 25% less mpg. you can't get e85 at all that many gas stations either. there's also a chance that it will hurt performance slightly

memphisr24

The sunoco I go to has 10% ethanol in it already....

And yes it is a type of fuel....it's what 85% ethanol right? Hence E85

D4u2s0t

85%, sometimes a litle less though.

HackAbuse

Dood, i would totally get E85 if they sold it around here! 105 Octane from the pump?! I'd have a turbo in no time!

Belto

oo interesting... nice

tkosmen

to answer your question.....

E85 is an alcohol fuel mixture that typically contains a mixture of up to 85% denatured fuel ethanol and gasoline or other hydrocarbon by volume. On an undenatured basis, the ethanol component ranges from 70% to 83%. E85 as a fuel is widely used in Sweden and is becoming increasingly common in the United States, mainly in the Midwest where corn is a major crop and is the primary source material for ethanol fuel production; however as yet, there are still only about 800 filling stations selling E85 to the public in the US, and only one in Canada

D4u2s0t

it's not what it sounds like. it is much less efficient than regular gas. that 105 octane equals the same as regular gas. it actually can provide LESS power than regular gas, and you will get significantly less mpg

06black

you have no clue what your saying do you........

E85 has a lower specific gravity, thus the need to run more fuel when compared to normal pump gas and thus why you get less miles per tank.

also E85 HELPS performance, it in no way shape or form will hurt performance UNLESS you did a shitty job when converting your fuel system for it....


and and yea, the 100 - 105 octane kinda helps that performance factor as well...

Sunburst_SS

you're going to need to upgrade the fuel system to handle it since the e85 can corrode the materials in your fuel system. Second, cars that are designed to run on e85 or regular gas (flex fuel) have a fuel alchohol sensor to detect the alcohol content of the fuel. Since the e85 has less energy you will need to inject more fuel into your motor for it to run properly.....if not your car will run extremley lean, and well probably won't run at all.

Tom in CO

I have not looked too much but have found this about the pros and cons, more pros then cons, about e85


http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Page?template=Myths

Belto

thanx for the info...

I was thinking of some day converting a car from gasoline to CNG (Compress Natural Gas), bc in Argentina many many cars have this fuel system and it lasts longer, costs less and has about the same performance...

06black

called a fuel composition sensor.....

we have an octane sensor but thats it...ugh

Sunburst_SS

haha yea, a fuel composition sensor. I tell you what....the whole flex fuel thing made it really fun at work when we have to update the PCM's in those cars.

D4u2s0t

i could be wrong, i don't know a whole hell of a lot about it. but it's definitely less efficient. so to me that says less efficiency = lessp ower. maybe i'm wrong though.

06black

no worries man, just making sure that little tid-bit was tossed out there.


its not less efficient, it just has a lower Spec/Grav....basically theres less energy to be made out of a gallon of E85 compared to a gallon of pump gas.....so you burn more of the e-85 to make up for the lack...simple!

but it burns cleaner and more completely as well as its higher octane rating.....all good things.

nramlow2006

precisely... its ******* worthless even if we take all the corn grown in america... all of it.... we still could only subsidies 10% of the populations gas usage.. thats something the liberals and tree huggers dont want u to know.. the farmers know it... **** more people use e85 the higher your beef,cheese,milk prices will go. because it cost more for the farmers to feed and take car of there livestock because there is less corn and more of a demand for it.. its happening here already.. its just a crutch thats all it is.. it doesnt fix the high gas price problem

just giving you the farmers input. ie" me/nd my family"

Helltime

I don't even like the 10% ethanol, every car i have ever driven and used both in (my cars and parent's cars) ALWAYS got better MPG on regular vs 10% and they have always performed better on regular too. **** E85, i would never use that ****, exactly for the reasons nrmalow2006 mentioned. Not to mention, imagine all the stuff that goes into the making of it, is it really better for the environment? not when you look at the big picture and not just what goes on in the car. Just my 2 cents

FacelessKhaos

E85 Pros and Cons
Pros:
Burns Cleaner
Renewable

Cons:
Costly To Make
Making certain food prices go up
Barely comparable performance ratings (usually less) than pump gas
barely any support
costly conversions to vehicles
it still needs gas to run....

basically the ethanol is a filler..we all have set fire to a shot of everclear...add some gas..boom...e85...

kinda....

Helltime

you should add to the cons "More harmful to the environment" Cuz it burns cleaner...but when you consider all the **** that goes into making it....

06black

like i said....lower specific gravity.

randizzle

E85 is an absolute joke. While it's not a bad fuel, it is NOT better for the environment or our society. I can't believe people actually think that it is a solution to our consumption problem. We should take the money used in the r and d of E85 and come up with something that actually works AND helps our oil consumption.