ETA For 2.2 Tuning???
08-17-2007, 12:39 PM
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ETA For 2.2 Tuning???
ok so ive been reading up on things around here and it just seems like the 2.2's are making very small if any steps toward tuning being avaible. so my question is this how much longer do u guys think it will be before someone cracks that dam computer in our cars? bc im seriously considering having my own part out sale and buying the ss/sc that way i can do what i want to it its just gonna hurt me bc i dont pay for my car that i have now just the insurance (YES!!!! ILL ADMIT IT MY MOM PAYS FOR MY CAR LOL) but if i sell or trade it in i have to pay for it so let me know what u guys thing should i wait it out or go ss/sc
08-17-2007, 12:54 PM
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If your mom's paying for the car, then I'd make sure she's ok with whatever you're going to do. I don't know your mom, but my mom would be PISSED if she was paying for my car and I sunk a couple g's into aftermarket parts instead of paying for the car myself.
what are you planning to do? Is your car auto or manual? If you've got a manual 06 and you plan on adding a turbo kit, there's plenty of ways to go about that with the tuning available.
As far as actually cracking the bcu, the way things are going, it could be a couple months... or it could be a year.
what are you planning to do? Is your car auto or manual? If you've got a manual 06 and you plan on adding a turbo kit, there's plenty of ways to go about that with the tuning available.
As far as actually cracking the bcu, the way things are going, it could be a couple months... or it could be a year.
08-17-2007, 01:01 PM
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Umm, well I would say keep this all in mind. With the SC being discontinued it means that more people will be modding 2.4's and in turn 2.2's the cars are also still brand new and since it is the lowest model it will be the last to be tuned. right now it isn't them not having the ability to crack the computer, but that who knows if it is going to be worthwhile for them. I think the worst thing that could happen for us 2.2's is what could be one of the best things for the cobalt. a 2.0 turbo... if a turbo comes out, it just means another car that they KNOW they will make money from. With no 2.0 turbo, I would think that they would see the money in tuning 2.2's considering they now represent 93% of all cobalts sold and will likely become a more favorable modding car with less competition from its own names.
Contact HP tuners. I did a couple days ago just to ask what is up. They said they believe they will be working on it soon, but the more people who email asking them, means the more interest they see asking for tuning.
Your situation is not really much of a question. what is tuning and modding to you? I would stick with your 2.2 since it would be crazy to cover your own payment and the insuracne (plus increase in insurance) just to get an SC. save your money and let moms pay it off. by that time, there will either be tuning available, or you will have saved a crapload of money to buy whatever you want. slowly but surely the 2.2 is being broken down with promises of SCT tuning, AEM piggybacks for FI, turbo's, and reflashes to eliminate hindrances like SAI.
I would sit on your money, enjoy the 2.2 have fun with it. I am gonna take pride in making my 2.2 pretty and powerful. Anyone can BUY a sports car, but its more fun to mod yours into one. So what if my mods never let me catch up to an SC, i'd have no problem having a nicely modded 2.2 that grabs attention.
Contact HP tuners. I did a couple days ago just to ask what is up. They said they believe they will be working on it soon, but the more people who email asking them, means the more interest they see asking for tuning.
Your situation is not really much of a question. what is tuning and modding to you? I would stick with your 2.2 since it would be crazy to cover your own payment and the insuracne (plus increase in insurance) just to get an SC. save your money and let moms pay it off. by that time, there will either be tuning available, or you will have saved a crapload of money to buy whatever you want. slowly but surely the 2.2 is being broken down with promises of SCT tuning, AEM piggybacks for FI, turbo's, and reflashes to eliminate hindrances like SAI.
I would sit on your money, enjoy the 2.2 have fun with it. I am gonna take pride in making my 2.2 pretty and powerful. Anyone can BUY a sports car, but its more fun to mod yours into one. So what if my mods never let me catch up to an SC, i'd have no problem having a nicely modded 2.2 that grabs attention.
08-17-2007, 01:08 PM
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Well if you have an 07, HPT Is trying to get a test car in to verify it works on the cobalt because they have already cracked the ECU just need to verify it works on the cobalt.
For 05-06, SCT has cracked it, but we are still waiting on word from them about doing our own tuning. They have software like HPTuners but they havent released an update with support for the cobalt yet. We are all digging into it and are trying to get answers just like you. Just kick back for a bit, we have all been waiting A LOT longer then you have =P Patience my son
For 05-06, SCT has cracked it, but we are still waiting on word from them about doing our own tuning. They have software like HPTuners but they havent released an update with support for the cobalt yet. We are all digging into it and are trying to get answers just like you. Just kick back for a bit, we have all been waiting A LOT longer then you have =P Patience my son
08-17-2007, 02:29 PM
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hell, there's no tuning cause noone sticks to the 2.2, they start out wanting to then end up buying a ss/sc or a different car cause they're tired of waiting lol.
If GM releases the 2.0 turbo(articles said 2008, solstice motor) then there will be less interest in the 2.2's and more interest in getting that car.
Hell, i know i would be more interested in buying a car with 260whp thats stock....
If GM releases the 2.0 turbo(articles said 2008, solstice motor) then there will be less interest in the 2.2's and more interest in getting that car.
Hell, i know i would be more interested in buying a car with 260whp thats stock....
08-17-2007, 02:43 PM
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well im pretty much just waiting i mean theres still a few more things i can get like i havnt gotten the sway bars or lowering springs bc we had a problem getting them off one of m buddies cobalt bc he was gonna sell them to me so i can always work on that for now and i guess make it pretty lol i was more concerned with performance than looks so ill works on the looks for now and when stuff comes out ill have the money saved for it mom dosent mind my doing **** to the car she says im responsible for the car she will just make the payments so anything that goes wrong is all on me but she likes driving it bc its faster than it was before shes even gotten 3 speeding tickets in it where i have none bc i have to protect my CDL lol
08-17-2007, 03:15 PM
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There is a tuning option for 2.2s Just not from HPTuners. They won't tune for the 2.2 because they think there isn't enough demand from them. But nelson performance here in san antonio texas has software direct from GM that CAN tune the auto 2.2 AND its tranny. They are GM specialists, thats all they do. I didn't get a software name, but their software is 3500 bucks and not available to anybody. Nelson performance in san antonio. I dunno why nobody seems to know about them.
08-17-2007, 03:18 PM
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There is a tuning option for 2.2s Just not from HPTuners. They won't tune for the 2.2 because they think there isn't enough demand from them. But nelson performance here in san antonio texas has software direct from GM that CAN tune the auto 2.2 AND its tranny. They are GM specialists, thats all they do. I didn't get a software name, but their software is 3500 bucks and not available to anybody. Nelson performance in san antonio. I dunno why nobody seems to know about them.
08-17-2007, 03:19 PM
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I am, lawl, nobody believes it cuz they think HPTuners are they ONLY ppl with software...
The proof is coming
Just gotta wait till tuesday
I feel like the man claiming the world is round when everybody still thinks its flat haha
The proof is coming
Just gotta wait till tuesdayI feel like the man claiming the world is round when everybody still thinks its flat haha
08-17-2007, 03:24 PM
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Heres the thing. The reason we do not believe you, or make it hard to believe you, is because there isnt software to buy from GM to tune our cars. If there was, wouldnt you be able to take your car to the dealer and have them tune it for your bolt-ons/turbo/sc? HPTuners and SCT crack the computers for a reason, because there isnt any other way to tune the cars after they come from the factory. So i myself would love to hear how these "gm specialists" tuned your car.(please do not think im being a dick, im not, just stating the facts)
08-17-2007, 03:30 PM
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Heres the thing. The reason we do not believe you, or make it hard to believe you, is because there isnt software to buy from GM to tune our cars. If there was, wouldnt you be able to take your car to the dealer and have them tune it for your bolt-ons/turbo/sc? HPTuners and SCT crack the computers for a reason, because there isnt any other way to tune the cars after they come from the factory. So i myself would love to hear how these "gm experts" tuned your car.(please do not think im being a dick, im not, just stating the facts)
I was just as skeptical as everybody else on this forum when they told me all this stuff, but I'm pretty confident in their abilities now, so no I'm not getting pissed or thinking anybody is being an ass. It is pretty hard to believe, but I will be posting proof early next week
08-17-2007, 03:51 PM
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yo word gimmie their number so i can ask some questions lol bc ill definetely drive there or pull the car on a trailor there or something... i didnt mean for this to blow up i just wanted to know what was really up with whatever was comming out
08-20-2007, 02:09 PM
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There is a tuning option for 2.2s Just not from HPTuners. They won't tune for the 2.2 because they think there isn't enough demand from them. But nelson performance here in san antonio texas has software direct from GM that CAN tune the auto 2.2 AND its tranny. They are GM specialists, thats all they do. I didn't get a software name, but their software is 3500 bucks and not available to anybody. Nelson performance in san antonio. I dunno why nobody seems to know about them.
??? deets! u kno something i don't?!?? PM ME BIATCH!
08-20-2007, 04:10 PM
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The ETA for tuning is either "in a few months" or "never" depending on who you ask. As Ive said before though, the best thing any of us 2.2 owners can do is email HPTuners and just say, hey I own a 2.2 Cobalt and I am interested in using your software to tune it.
Here is the link to contact HP Tuners
http://www.hptuners.com/contact.php
Just click, fill it out, it will only take a minute or two.
Here is the link to contact HP Tuners
http://www.hptuners.com/contact.php
Just click, fill it out, it will only take a minute or two.
08-20-2007, 04:23 PM
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The ETA for tuning is either "in a few months" or "never" depending on who you ask. As Ive said before though, the best thing any of us 2.2 owners can do is email HPTuners and just say, hey I own a 2.2 Cobalt and I am interested in using your software to tune it.
Here is the link to contact HP Tuners
http://www.hptuners.com/contact.php
Just click, fill it out, it will only take a minute or two.
Here is the link to contact HP Tuners
http://www.hptuners.com/contact.php
Just click, fill it out, it will only take a minute or two.
SCT thread, poll: http://www.sctflash.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7575
Diablo thread, poll: http://www.diablosport.com/index.php...c31c9ca1346dfa
08-20-2007, 04:39 PM
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i would discourge anybody and everybody from contacting HPT - they are not and will not tune for the 2.2 - they are now closing/locking all threads related to e16a tuning on their boards and have been less than responsive to our enthusiasm & insight. Rather, contact SCT - the guys that already DID tuning for the 2.2 05-06 cobalt, and tell them you're anxious for the power programmer for the e16a and other years! that's MUCH more likely to get some results! Also, contact DiabloSport - another tuner that's been talking about supporting us and recently dove into the ecotec plaform as well!
SCT thread, poll: http://www.sctflash.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7575
Diablo thread, poll: http://www.diablosport.com/index.php...c31c9ca1346dfa
SCT thread, poll: http://www.sctflash.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7575
Diablo thread, poll: http://www.diablosport.com/index.php...c31c9ca1346dfa
Everyone get your asses on there and vote! We need to remove our governors and up our rev limiters! hehe
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
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Well I just got some more info on my tune. Nelson performance here in san antonio is using HPTuners software, but have their own specific application for 2.2s. They wouldn't tell me exactly how it worked or how they cracked the cpu obviously because thats their copyrighted information and its how they make their money. However, they are the ONLY place in the country that CAN tune a 2.2L. They will be changing my ignition timing, rev limiter, a/f, shift points, fluid pressures, and slightly modifiying the cobalts adaptive strategies on shifting. They can not remove the govenor so they will be reflashing it to 180.
Look them up and call them yourselves, they have an app for the 2.2 and can ship you the ecm/ecu pcm/tcm combo tuned on a dyno, not canned. All they need are the specs and mods your running and will tune accordingly. You also get free retunes/reflashes for life, incase you add another mod down the road. You guys can take it or leave it, but I just got my car tuned, and the proof is in the puddin so to speak. Sure you can call BS on it, but in the end, I really don't care, I got tuning, you can continue to wait
Look them up and call them yourselves, they have an app for the 2.2 and can ship you the ecm/ecu pcm/tcm combo tuned on a dyno, not canned. All they need are the specs and mods your running and will tune accordingly. You also get free retunes/reflashes for life, incase you add another mod down the road. You guys can take it or leave it, but I just got my car tuned, and the proof is in the puddin so to speak. Sure you can call BS on it, but in the end, I really don't care, I got tuning, you can continue to wait
08-20-2007, 10:04 PM
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Cobaltfan, whats the charge and what exactly are they doing. do we need to ship them the computer or do they send something for us to upload?
If they can do that... they can probably change the RPO's to eliminate SAI as well.
If they can do that... they can probably change the RPO's to eliminate SAI as well.