teh_punk

I have: SRI, SS exhaust manifold, 2.5" catback

I want: 2.4 intake manifold & tb, aftermarket header & hi-flow cat, tune

What should my whp be around with all that? I'm not looking to mess with the internals much, probably wouldn't even do any of that kind of work myself. Having said that.. any other mods I should look into that can be done w/ stock or nearly stock internals? No f/i or nitrous either.

umrdyldo

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No one including myself has put that setup on a dyno.

I'm guessing anywhere from 160 to 170whp, but who knows

YSUsteven

My guess would be 150~160 whp, but thats only a guess

EXsoccer1921

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with a damn good tune...170 at the most...maybe

Spanky's Monkey

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yep, that's about the most you're gonna make. i need to dyno but so far the response of the engine and the very noticeable power increase wit the tune tells me it's definitely worth it. you should make a few more horsepower over me with the 2.4 manifold on the top end. I myself don't feel comfotable trading in my low end torque for the high end gains. at least not til i get my cams and higher cr pistons

dman090

that is a nice avatar my friend^

Spanky's Monkey

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i now, makes me feel good every time i see one of my posts.

thanks.

Jn2

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wow every is sayin some outrageously high nuber, my friend i made 127.5whp, 139.2 wtrq with:
cai
lsj header
lsj downpipe
lsj catback
ttr tranny mounts
ignalls trq damper

the 2.4 mani si nice, but with out a tune it will only cause a lag effect to the car...get it tuned and you should be good for 150whp...i need to go back and redyno now that i have my vibrant set up with megan exhaust...

Spanky's Monkey

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the lsj system is not a true 2.5" system it shrinks down at certain points so i wouldn't base all 2.5" gains off of that exhaust system.

teh_punk

what im talking about doing is very different than just using stock lsj parts.. if i only get 150whp out of that setup im getting rid of my car. im surprised you dynoed that low even with just the lsj stuff and a cai.. that would mean you weren't even making 145 crank hp stock. Don't you lose about 15-17% to the wheels on FWD?.. or am i wrong on that one? That seems high.. i dunno, but either way, if you did all that to your car and only made 127.5whp, something isnt right.

Jn2

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every car iis diffrent, and my power isnt that bad, i made more trq than mst guys here do with more mods..my ho was a bit lower, i only lost 25hp due to drivetrain stock...lost 35 trq, also i now have a full 2.5" exhaust, my vibrant is a 2.5" collector down to the catback, which is 2.5 aswell, and trust me, i wont be seeing 250, i say 230-235...i might get 240-245 if i get the manifold and a tune, but honestly im not sacrifing trq...

D4u2s0t

that's actually pretty normal. i've said it a million times, people with 2.2's are always upset when they finally get to a dyno. much, much lower than they thought they were going to be. i know i was upset when i had my 2.2, full bolted and was still slow as *****.

i just think you're setting yourself up for disapintment here. always, always hope for low #'s. and if thye're higher, then it's a bonus. but dyno #'s are worthless, and don't mean anything anyways.

Helltime

That is part of the reason i am getting rid of my balt (that and i want a truck). In the summer i drive my mustang daily, and there is no way in hell my 2.2 is anywhere near what my 5.0 puts out and i haven't even done full bolt ons to the stang yet That and its more fun to punch it in 2nd gear at 35mph and get it sideways vs just spinning 1 tire and getting wheel hop if I launch in 1st in the balt

Section8cav

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thats because they dont have a REALISTIC view of mods and gains...for instance..that intake,header and exhaust is NOT gonna net you 20hp..forget it...dont believe me? ask Jn2..he dyno proved it...
and that 2.4 mani you keep wanting cus you think its gonna make you so much faster....i would spend the money somewhere else..on stock internals and tune that mani actually LOSES power, and from what i understand there isnt currently a good way to tune a 2.2...

umrdyldo

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This post is not really true though.

Jn2 proved that an SS exhaust is still restrictive that's about it. I think his car also dynoed a lot less than some of the cars would. This car fully bolted should be getting close to 160. If I didn't have my FE exam to pay for I would get a dyno run in. Also, the tuning for the 2.2 isn't perfect, but it does a damn good job for a mail order tune.

burzumaske20

you get better gains from a header then a sri anyways,if you tune everything you should see about 165 or 170 possible depends, thats if you get the 2.4 intake manifold,tb,header,sri and tune.If you port and polish the the head you should see little bit more of a gain.If people really want to see some gains just make your own turbo kit or get a supercharger.

teh_punk

sigh.. reading > some people in here.

1. a header and sri are 2 completely different things... i will have both.
2. was i not clear that i was going to get a tune?
3. the 2.4 mani loses low end for mid range gains.. and im putting it on with the 2.4 tb, which should
help minimalize low end losses, especially with said tune.
4. i find it hard to believe that a fwd car which GM rated at 145 crank hp puts out any less than 120 on avg to the wheels. That would be a 17.2% loss. Yes every car is different, but ive seen some cars lose only ~10% power from the crank to the wheels (fwd). Unfortunately i never had mine dynoed stock so we'll never know exactly what mine was doing.
5. I already said no f/i. read people, read.
6. im not expecting 200whp, i'd be happy with 165whp. If i get less than 150 bye bye balt, at least the 2.2 anyway. If you're all right then so be it, but I think it'll be higher than 150. My wife's sebring will do the 1/4 in 15.9-16.1 and i can beat it..barely, but i can. dont say driver error because its an auto. So i'm probably already around 170-175ish crank hp which means if i have a 17% power loss then im about 140-145ish whp. You're telling me I'm only going to get another 5-10hp from a better header, manifold, throttle body, downpipe, hi-flow cat, and tune? Feel free to correct my math if you find a mistake, it was not my strong point. I personally dont think my car only had 145chp, it always felt a little faster than that, especially since i could beat another 2.2 balt here with more mods when i only had an intake... /rambling.

Spanky's Monkey

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reading>you

cause i already said 20hp ain't happening and yes we do have a good way to tune. you're not tuning it on your laptop but its a good tune none-the-less. search the forums.

OneSlowGto

4.5 hp and 7 tq

Bika

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some of you people just love the ricer math. over 40whp from an i/e and tune? we arent driving LS1's. u guys are funny

teh_punk

what are you talking about? i really think people need to take their time reading...

IonNinja

119/120whp stock is pretty normal for a 2.2. He very well could be dynoing at that number stock and only put down 127whp modded. He isn't the first guy to put down those kind of numbers. There was an Ion guy who put down similar numbers, had nice gains in torque but hp numbers were so so.

I don't think you'll hit 150whp, bolt ons do crap for power IMO so get ready for that 'for sale' sign

even with a set of cams and headwork I'd bet you're only putting out 160-170whp, thats why N/A sucks

Spanky's Monkey

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now raise the cr and see where that puts you.

Jn2

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yeah he knows about the mail tuning, but he is more a laptop tuner, only ay to get it down to perfection

nicely put, my numbers are not low, they are average, and modded, i put down a insane amount of trq as far as a increase went...i would rather have more trq, better to get you off the line...im not much of a street racers, so for me, i want to finish that quarter mile ASAP...more hp helps but trq gets you there, also i know someone else said i proved the lsj stuff is restrictive, yes i did, it is restrictive, i swapped out to a obx mid lenght and got a 2-3whp increase thru out the whole power band, only the peak stayed the same, and also peak numbers dont matter that much, cuz that just means you make that much max, it how fast you get down the quater mile that matters...my best run was 15.7, my last time at the track i ran 16.2 cuz i went back to stock, now i am wanting to go back will al my mods in my sig see if i can get 15.6 atleast

D4u2s0t

you can't use ricer math, and the fact that you beat a car to determine your hp. it doesn't work like that.

fact is, many fully bolted 2.2's are putting down in the 130whp range. with the 2.4 tb and mani, guaranteed, if you get it to work properly you lose power. you're simply not going to be moving enough air to require a bigger tb. the air is going to lose velocity, slow down, and in turn rob you of power.

from a full exhaust and a tune, honestly i would expect about 10-15whp on a 2.2, MAYBE.

i had my 2.2 for 2 years, did alot of research when i had it, and realized that my goals were un-reachable without spending shitloads of money. that's why after 2 years, and lots of money spent i sold it and got my 2.0.

i'll put money that you are not at 175 now, and i'll also put money that you don't hit your goals with your mod list. realistically, it's not going to happen.