future mod list, expected gains?
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you can't use ricer math, and the fact that you beat a car to determine your hp. it doesn't work like that.
fact is, many fully bolted 2.2's are putting down in the 130whp range. with the 2.4 tb and mani, guaranteed, if you get it to work properly you lose power. you're simply not going to be moving enough air to require a bigger tb. the air is going to lose velocity, slow down, and in turn rob you of power.
from a full exhaust and a tune, honestly i would expect about 10-15whp on a 2.2, MAYBE.
i had my 2.2 for 2 years, did alot of research when i had it, and realized that my goals were un-reachable without spending shitloads of money. that's why after 2 years, and lots of money spent i sold it and got my 2.0.
i'll put money that you are not at 175 now, and i'll also put money that you don't hit your goals with your mod list. realistically, it's not going to happen.
fact is, many fully bolted 2.2's are putting down in the 130whp range. with the 2.4 tb and mani, guaranteed, if you get it to work properly you lose power. you're simply not going to be moving enough air to require a bigger tb. the air is going to lose velocity, slow down, and in turn rob you of power.
from a full exhaust and a tune, honestly i would expect about 10-15whp on a 2.2, MAYBE.
i had my 2.2 for 2 years, did alot of research when i had it, and realized that my goals were un-reachable without spending shitloads of money. that's why after 2 years, and lots of money spent i sold it and got my 2.0.
i'll put money that you are not at 175 now, and i'll also put money that you don't hit your goals with your mod list. realistically, it's not going to happen.
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take it for what it's worth. but you're going to be disapointed with what your building up in your head.
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theres a difference between saying "160-170whp is unrealistic from those mods" and what has been said. i'll be sure to hi-jack the next thread you make when you want some help and just be an ass all over it.
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Go right ahead. Your gains are unreasonable..... We try to tell you this and you argue.
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what I don't understand is people throw numbers but don't know the exact numbers for their cars,why not get it dyno to see where you're at.any 4 banger needs force induction no matter what.Its not like a cobalt is a 6 cylinder or v8.If you want more hp you need to turbo or supercharge it,port n polish,cams stage 1(stage 2 if turbo will not work well together)also for more boost obviously need pistons that will handle whatever boost you want,new connecting rods,ect.Also I have heard you can bore and stroke the motor where it will be a 2.6,but that is only a rumor I have heard.
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I have: SRI, SS exhaust manifold, 2.5" catback
I want: 2.4 intake manifold & tb, aftermarket header & hi-flow cat, tune
What should my whp be around with all that? I'm not looking to mess with the internals much, probably wouldn't even do any of that kind of work myself. Having said that.. any other mods I should look into that can be done w/ stock or nearly stock internals? No f/i or nitrous either.
I want: 2.4 intake manifold & tb, aftermarket header & hi-flow cat, tune
What should my whp be around with all that? I'm not looking to mess with the internals much, probably wouldn't even do any of that kind of work myself. Having said that.. any other mods I should look into that can be done w/ stock or nearly stock internals? No f/i or nitrous either.
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however without knowing the starting numbers its hard to measure actual gains.
even if thats the case though, I feel 150+ is a little generous. Have you raced a 2.4 at all? those put down 150whp stock so if you can beat one that might be a good indication of power.
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variances in dynos and conditions can effect those numbers
however without knowing the starting numbers its hard to measure actual gains.
even if thats the case though, I feel 150+ is a little generous. Have you raced a 2.4 at all? those put down 150whp stock so if you can beat one that might be a good indication of power.
however without knowing the starting numbers its hard to measure actual gains.
even if thats the case though, I feel 150+ is a little generous. Have you raced a 2.4 at all? those put down 150whp stock so if you can beat one that might be a good indication of power.
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the whole racing a 2.4 thing isnt accurate either, i can beat a 2.4, and he still dyno's 20 more whp than me...to many things can go wrong, driver wight, driver mod lv, cars dont weight the same, etc...only way to know your whp is to go dyno, wanna know ur 1/4, go to the track, oh and me and that guy run pretty close 1/4, when i raced him i wont by .1 of a second...
ps-im tired of this ricer math, consider me out this thread...ill be waiting for the part out thread though
ps-im tired of this ricer math, consider me out this thread...ill be waiting for the part out thread though
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his was an auto, not too much room for error. he is also thinner than i am, probably weighs 140. next time they have a test n tune at the track i'll pay the $20 or whatever it is now and run my car a few times. there's only 1 dyno in town i know of and its run by idiots. i refuse to go there.
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his was an auto, not too much room for error. he is also thinner than i am, probably weighs 140. next time they have a test n tune at the track i'll pay the $20 or whatever it is now and run my car a few times. there's only 1 dyno in town i know of and its run by idiots. i refuse to go there.
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the low 15 second, fully bolted 2.2's are probably getting low 15's because of a good driver. but low 15's are not the norm. just like there's stock 2.0's that can run very low 14's. but that's not what the majority will run. most drivers with stock 2.0's run mid-high 14's.
there's such a range depending on the driver, that you can't compare one car and one driver vs. another car with another driver. just too many factors to get anything useful out of it. i've seen stock 2.0's run mid 15's. doesn't mean that it has the same power as a 2.4 that runs mid 15's, or a 2.2 that runs mid 15's.
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you can't compare that way though. What a car "does" run is different than what it "should" run. many ss's run low 15's, but many also run mid to high 15's. just like most bolted 2.2's run mid 15's, but some run low 15's. this is of course with a 5 speed. a fully bolted 2.2 will most likely not break out of the 16's, just like a 2.4 auto will probably not break out of the 16's. if it does, it will be very high 15's.
the low 15 second, fully bolted 2.2's are probably getting low 15's because of a good driver. but low 15's are not the norm. just like there's stock 2.0's that can run very low 14's. but that's not what the majority will run. most drivers with stock 2.0's run mid-high 14's.
there's such a range depending on the driver, that you can't compare one car and one driver vs. another car with another driver. just too many factors to get anything useful out of it. i've seen stock 2.0's run mid 15's. doesn't mean that it has the same power as a 2.4 that runs mid 15's, or a 2.2 that runs mid 15's.
the low 15 second, fully bolted 2.2's are probably getting low 15's because of a good driver. but low 15's are not the norm. just like there's stock 2.0's that can run very low 14's. but that's not what the majority will run. most drivers with stock 2.0's run mid-high 14's.
there's such a range depending on the driver, that you can't compare one car and one driver vs. another car with another driver. just too many factors to get anything useful out of it. i've seen stock 2.0's run mid 15's. doesn't mean that it has the same power as a 2.4 that runs mid 15's, or a 2.2 that runs mid 15's.
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edit: will have to wait, cant access the page from work. stay tuned.
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Well then I'll tell you my experience. My very first run ever was with a 2.4L Manifold and a drop in and I ran a 15.9 with a 2.5 60'. That's some bad driving on my part, you can't tell me there isn't a lot more room to pick up when fully bolted. Or maybe I should have driven the car without the manifold on first. Cause I have a good suspicion it helped a lot at the track. As for bolted and tuned. This car is loads faster than when I ran a 15.9.
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13.? second SS taking an evo to school:
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...rent=Rey13.flv
15.3 auto ss n/a... note, he is not running the civic in the video i have, but he did on a different run.
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...t=Richie15.flv
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...rent=Rey13.flv
15.3 auto ss n/a... note, he is not running the civic in the video i have, but he did on a different run.
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...t=Richie15.flv
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13.? second SS taking an evo to school:
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...rent=Rey13.flv
15.3 auto ss n/a... note, he is not running the civic in the video i have, but he did on a different run.
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...t=Richie15.flv
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...rent=Rey13.flv
15.3 auto ss n/a... note, he is not running the civic in the video i have, but he did on a different run.
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...t=Richie15.flv