Ground Wire Kits?
02-12-2008, 05:02 PM
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Do you have any photos of the grounding points? Also, how did they run the initial wire from the battery to the engine bay?
02-12-2008, 05:38 PM
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no i dont have a clue where are the grounding points are but i know for sure they connect it directly to the battery in the trunk instead of that terminal under the hood (for whatever reason unknown)
02-12-2008, 06:27 PM
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I mimicked what Apex R did to my other cars onto my wife's Sunfire.
One on the strut mount, one on the alternator, two near the fuel rail but on each opposite end of it, one on the tranny, one on the frame on the opposite side of the stock location, and one on the motor head.
It came with nuts, but some of the locations like on the tranny and strut mount needed a different pitch thread nut.
Go to Home Depot and buy a bunch of one cent nuts and go to town on it.
One on the strut mount, one on the alternator, two near the fuel rail but on each opposite end of it, one on the tranny, one on the frame on the opposite side of the stock location, and one on the motor head.
It came with nuts, but some of the locations like on the tranny and strut mount needed a different pitch thread nut.
Go to Home Depot and buy a bunch of one cent nuts and go to town on it.
02-12-2008, 07:04 PM
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Because the terminal under the hood is the positive. The grounding system is connected to the negative terminal.
02-12-2008, 09:38 PM
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02-13-2008, 11:00 AM
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there is no HOW-TO, no one has made a grounding kit, or even installed one with pics on this site. plus theres this little button at the top of the screen and it's called SEARCH
like someone said before- grounding kits provide your electrical systems with a more free flowing path of electricity, less impedence = more power. instead of working against itself and the small little grounds the manufacturer provides for factory cars- a grounding kit provides less resistance (impedence) for the electricity to flow. electricity is always looking for the path of least resistance, all your providing is the path!
like someone said before- grounding kits provide your electrical systems with a more free flowing path of electricity, less impedence = more power. instead of working against itself and the small little grounds the manufacturer provides for factory cars- a grounding kit provides less resistance (impedence) for the electricity to flow. electricity is always looking for the path of least resistance, all your providing is the path!
02-13-2008, 12:38 PM
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there is no HOW-TO, no one has made a grounding kit, or even installed one with pics on this site. plus theres this little button at the top of the screen and it's called SEARCH
like someone said before- grounding kits provide your electrical systems with a more free flowing path of electricity, less impedence = more power. instead of working against itself and the small little grounds the manufacturer provides for factory cars- a grounding kit provides less resistance (impedence) for the electricity to flow. electricity is always looking for the path of least resistance, all your providing is the path!
like someone said before- grounding kits provide your electrical systems with a more free flowing path of electricity, less impedence = more power. instead of working against itself and the small little grounds the manufacturer provides for factory cars- a grounding kit provides less resistance (impedence) for the electricity to flow. electricity is always looking for the path of least resistance, all your providing is the path!
02-13-2008, 12:42 PM
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02-13-2008, 04:02 PM
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your right but look at the wire chevy used on the cobalt vs the wire used on say a honda crx. We dont need a grounding kit because the battery has a good ground the bat/alt wire is good and im pretty sure the alt neg isnt lacking either. So adding a bunch of 4g grounds isnt going to do much. Lol right now i have a 2/0 ground and honestly i dont think its helping any more then the stock 4g.... once i get my amp installed (hopefully today if i have time to do it) i will need a giant ground but your not gaining any preformance or much electrical gain adding 4g in the cobalt. You can bump it up to 1/0 if you got the cash but just google the difference in resistance between 4g and 1/0 and tell me if its worth it?
there is no instructions and no point of a how too... a "grounding kit" is basiclly a bunch of wire that your supposed to use to upgrade the factory grounds and add a few more where ever you feel it needs to be grounded better. Its more expensive then buying the wire and connectors by them selves because its a marketing ploy and honestly only half works on older style cars with bad grounds.
there is no instructions and no point of a how too... a "grounding kit" is basiclly a bunch of wire that your supposed to use to upgrade the factory grounds and add a few more where ever you feel it needs to be grounded better. Its more expensive then buying the wire and connectors by them selves because its a marketing ploy and honestly only half works on older style cars with bad grounds.
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02-13-2008, 08:01 PM
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This is it in a sweaty *******:
The people who actually have used ground kits all agree there is an improvement of slight amount of HP gains, a better idle, and the audio equipment performance is a little better.
This is no miracle product, but it can give you a slight edge over the next car.
The people who never tried a ground kit all seem to guess that it is no better than stock and figure if the factory did not do it, it is not needed. So many pawn it off as another Tornado Air, Bilge Blower or Intake Spacer type product that takes money and gives nothing and sometimes takes power away. It is seen as a gimmick in other words, and there will be no believing until they install one on their car or see a before and after dyno.
The truth is, it does work and varies in degree of how well from car to car.
The dyno tests exist as there was the ground wire kit shoot-out article that posted the differences in gains and the Apexi kit won with a 12hp gain.
The factory is not going to spend money on parts and labor to upgrade the ground beyond its already acceptable point. It is good enough as is stock, and they probably do not like having to disconnect ground cables on parts they may need to work on in the future either.
For the price, it is worth it. It is also something that anyone can do on their own.
I am not asking the skeptics to back down and accept anything, but please don't deter others from getting a product that is very affordable and gives them an edge they might want over their existing mods, or possibly it is just their first mod they can afford. The automatic shift plus kit is another very inexpensive yet gainful mod.
Literally for $50 or so you can have a completely stock looking car that will add a good edge over the unknowing driver.
Another cheap mod is the drop in K&N.
I know, I know... each of these mods add very little, but they do offer people that are broke ass like me some options to add a little more fun into their ride at a price each paycheck can afford.
I bought an economy car, and as such a little edge is all I want. I am not going to the track nor looking to race for pinks.
The people who actually have used ground kits all agree there is an improvement of slight amount of HP gains, a better idle, and the audio equipment performance is a little better.
This is no miracle product, but it can give you a slight edge over the next car.
The people who never tried a ground kit all seem to guess that it is no better than stock and figure if the factory did not do it, it is not needed. So many pawn it off as another Tornado Air, Bilge Blower or Intake Spacer type product that takes money and gives nothing and sometimes takes power away. It is seen as a gimmick in other words, and there will be no believing until they install one on their car or see a before and after dyno.
The truth is, it does work and varies in degree of how well from car to car.
The dyno tests exist as there was the ground wire kit shoot-out article that posted the differences in gains and the Apexi kit won with a 12hp gain.
The factory is not going to spend money on parts and labor to upgrade the ground beyond its already acceptable point. It is good enough as is stock, and they probably do not like having to disconnect ground cables on parts they may need to work on in the future either.
For the price, it is worth it. It is also something that anyone can do on their own.
I am not asking the skeptics to back down and accept anything, but please don't deter others from getting a product that is very affordable and gives them an edge they might want over their existing mods, or possibly it is just their first mod they can afford. The automatic shift plus kit is another very inexpensive yet gainful mod.
Literally for $50 or so you can have a completely stock looking car that will add a good edge over the unknowing driver.
Another cheap mod is the drop in K&N.
I know, I know... each of these mods add very little, but they do offer people that are broke ass like me some options to add a little more fun into their ride at a price each paycheck can afford.
I bought an economy car, and as such a little edge is all I want. I am not going to the track nor looking to race for pinks.
