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Old 08-29-2007, 04:51 PM
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How much better are light rims?

I am looking at rims. I have fond 2 sets of rims=tires I like in my price range. One set is 17" rims with 215/45/17 tires,the other is some light 15's with 225/50/15 tires. The 15"rims+tires are about 9 pounds lighter each. How much will the light rims help performance? The 15" rims are 11 pounds. How much do the stealies weigh? OK I guess I'm asking 15s or 17s? (but not just looks)
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18's!! I would go with the 17's and get it lowered.
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from a pure performance stance the 15's are the better choice, but for a daily driver id go with the 17's. the 17's will give you a much better ride and better fuel economy due to less rotations per mile. the 15's would be about 2 to 3 tenths quicker 0-60 and about 5-7 tenths quicker in a 1/4 mile.
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Originally Posted by bluebaltjim
... for a daily driver id go with the 17's. the 17's will give you a much better ride and better fuel economy due to less rotations per mile...
Wait

Less rotations per mile = less distance per mile = less miles per gallon

Right?

Sorry if I there is a misunderstanding, I am here to learn.
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Originally Posted by pdub
Wait

Less rotations per mile = less distance per mile = less miles per gallon

Right?

Sorry if I there is a misunderstanding, I am here to learn.
what i mean is the 17's would be a larger diameter overall, for instance a 215/45/17 tire rotates 838 times per mile, a 225/50/15 rotates 870 times per mile, a 205/50/15 rotates 899 times per mile. less rotations translates into lower rpm to hold the same speed which equals better economy on the highway. in stop and go traffic the 15's would be better, but only till you started traveling at a constant speed then you would have to be revving the engine higher to hold that speed.
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Originally Posted by bluebaltjim
from a pure performance stance the 15's are the better choice, but for a daily driver id go with the 17's. the 17's will give you a much better ride and better fuel economy due to less rotations per mile. the 15's would be about 2 to 3 tenths quicker 0-60 and about 5-7 tenths quicker in a 1/4 mile.
How will 17's have a better ride? I drive mostly in town and only live 2-3 miles from work. The 15's should give me better Braking and handling also, correct? I like to play in twisties when I can. Blue I see you autocross I would also like to try it sometime.
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how about top speed the larger the rim the better right?
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Originally Posted by bluebaltjim
what i mean is the 17's would be a larger diameter overall, for instance a 215/45/17 tire rotates 838 times per mile, a 225/50/15 rotates 870 times per mile, a 205/50/15 rotates 899 times per mile. less rotations translates into lower rpm to hold the same speed which equals better economy on the highway. in stop and go traffic the 15's would be better, but only till you started traveling at a constant speed then you would have to be revving the engine higher to hold that speed.
OK I drive Mostly in town so fuel not a prob.
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Originally Posted by Black07LS
How will 17's have a better ride? I drive mostly in town and only live 2-3 miles from work. The 15's should give me better Braking and handling also, correct? I like to play in twisties when I can. Blue I see you autocross I would also like to try it sometime.
with really light rims the suspension parts move very quick, hitting potholes and uneven road surfaces are alot more noticeable. if the bulk of your driving in city then the 15's might not be a bad choice. yea i autocross pretty regularly i use a 15x8 wheel (in the sig) with hoosier 225/45/15 autocross slick. thats really the only difference between my street setup and my autocross setup, i run 18x7.5 enkei's on the street with nexen n3000 tires.

Originally Posted by pimpnwink
how about top speed the larger the rim the better right?
yea top speed will be alittle bit higher with larger diameter tires.

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Originally Posted by bluebaltjim
from a pure performance stance the 15's are the better choice, but for a daily driver id go with the 17's. the 17's will give you a much better ride and better fuel economy due to less rotations per mile. the 15's would be about 2 to 3 tenths quicker 0-60 and about 5-7 tenths quicker in a 1/4 mile.
1/2 sec. off 1/4 mile? is that going to be faster than with the steal wheels?
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Originally Posted by Black07LS
1/2 sec. off 1/4 mile? is that going to be faster than with the steal wheels?
it would probly be within a tenth or two between the steelies and some light 15" wheels, our cars make pretty good torque for their class and a few pounds on each corner isn't gonna make a huge difference. the biggest difference you can make is with some sticky rubber.
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Originally Posted by bluebaltjim
it would probly be within a tenth or two between the steelies and some light 15" wheels, our cars make pretty good torque for their class and a few pounds on each corner isn't gonna make a huge difference. the biggest difference you can make is with some sticky rubber.
I'm looking at Falken Ziex Ze 912's, not the stickiest but good tread wear. Grip will come from them being wider. I need the tire to last, so not to soft.
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Originally Posted by Black07LS
I'm looking at Falken Ziex Ze 912's, not the stickiest but good tread wear. Grip will come from them being wider. I need the tire to last, so not to soft.
yea the nexen n3000's i have are like that too, my last set of tires only lasted about 12000 miles and thats just rediculous. 225 width tires suit the cobalts really well, those skinny 195's that come stock on the 2.2's suck ass.
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i find it extremely hard to believe it's 5-7 tenths off the 1/4 with 17's...i doubt that a lot.
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Originally Posted by cobalt9123
i find it extremely hard to believe it's 5-7 tenths off the 1/4 with 17's...i doubt that a lot.
He said light 15's (about 8 pounds lighter than 17's each) are 5-7 tenths faster than the 17's in the 1/4.
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17's i have 17's can't wait to get it lowered!!!
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I like the look of the 17's but heavier wheels rob HP and I like to play. The 15's I like are the bronze Falken Hanabi rims. I think they will look good and save unsprung weight.
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Originally Posted by bluebaltjim
yea the nexen n3000's i have are like that too, my last set of tires only lasted about 12000 miles and thats just rediculous. 225 width tires suit the cobalts really well, those skinny 195's that come stock on the 2.2's suck ass.
i got the same tires and i love em....Z rated (Y to be specific), great traction, and pretty good treadwear for a performance tire....plus nada mucho deniiro
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19"s ftw!!!

Screw racing, I'd rather be ballin!
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Originally Posted by WhiteSSBalt
19"s ftw!!!

Screw racing, I'd rather be ballin!
Ya but I'm old (36) so I wonna play not chase p****. also watch potholes with 19's
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So you could go inbetween and get some 16" wheels. Light but still look decent. All I know is I wish they made 16x8 wheels for the SS/SC. Those wheels Jim has for autocross are awesome. I want them for track days for the SS/SC but no luck...=(
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I haven't fond any light 16's I like or a set with 225 50 16's would be OK.
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riax seca's 16" I went 205/50/16 and have a great grip on the road. I believe they weighed somewhere around 36lbs with tires

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Ya but I'm old (36) so I wonna play not chase p****. also watch potholes with 19's
Haha neither do I. Had the same girlfriend for 2 1/2 years now. I got the 19"s b/c I didn't think the 18"s I had were big enough. Got them b/c I liked them, not to impress the ladies.
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These are THE wheel when it comes to lightweight


http://www.enkei.com/RacingSeriesSpecs/RPF1.html



Like Blue said, My plan is a set of these 15x7 for Auto-x (STS Class) then 17x7 for street use.


My feelings on the subject, 18's 19's you take away too much sidewall and you risk bending the rim more. Though they do look better. + more weight

I had a set of 16's but finding a 225 series tire is a lil more difficult and usually more expensive

225/50/15's = Dirt Cheap
225/45/17's = Pretty reasonable and priced about the same as a 16


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