ralliartist

You do realize that even if you actually accomplish 200whp n/a, the car won't be reliable at all anymore and will no longer be daily drivable. Not only that, but you won't be faster than 14's in the 1/4 on street tires and mid-high 13's on slicks. What's the point?

Throw a supercharger or turbo on there, hit 200whp, and be reliable and daily driveable still.

Kibosh3

if its feasible, sell your 2.2 or trade it in and pick up an SS/SC...stock you will see those numbers...and have soem more room to work up when you get greedy.

my $.02

RedBaseBolt

You're not gonna see 200 na without engine work.

However the best you're gonna get will be close. Around 170 whp with bolt ons, tune and cams.

Be happy with that since your motor won't blow itself up after 100,000 miles.

umrdyldo

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^^^^^ A lot of those prices vary as well. You can knock a couple hundred off intake and exhaust. But I'm sure some things would cost more. If you would have had the cash, that fully built head on here that was for sale would have been perfect for you.

RedBaseBolt

You nub

an0malous

it wont cost you "slightly" more man.

it will cost you likely double, or even triple.
thats why people are asking you "why"
it just makes no sense.

IonNinja

you guys left out ITBs

RedBaseBolt

ITB's = Ghey Ricer mod for Civics.

Just Supercharge it like a good Chevy boy.

umrdyldo

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The cheapest route is probably a 75 shot of nitrous.

joeworkstoohard

i really don't see what the big deal is here.

beef up the internals, lots of head work, lightweight flywheel, tune it to take 8000rpm, done.

07cobaltguy

why do you keep saying new block? im just curious our stock block has been proven to hold big numbers, its whats inside the block thats the week point (pistons, rods, ect..)

Unless you know some secret that we dont?

IonNinja

done is right...5-6K later.

its just not cost effective is what most people are getting at. I've got a moderate N/A build, lets take a look at what I've spent so far:

Injen Intake - $230
2.5" Exhaust (might wanna go 3" for a high rpm build) - $400
LSJ Exhaust Manifold - $50 (had Pacesetter which was $180)
LSJ Downpipe - $75
2.4 Intake Manifold - $150
Ported TB - $95
Patriot Stage 2 Cylinder Head - $1300
SMG Head Studs - $180
Cometic Head Gasket - $106

what I don't have but what will also be needed:
Stage 2 or Stage 3 Comp Cams - $470
Wiesco High Comp Pistons - $500 (likely more since they'd be custom)
Eagle Rods - $340 (probably not necessary but might as well while its torn apart)
Neutral Balance Shafts - $440

so an estimate of about $4500...

and then there are other misc costs for engine assembly and nuts/bolts

Borderlin3

Buy a 2.4 block, and build that. that way you will still have your car to drive while you build that motor

HunterKiller89

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ummm...no? stock block is good to 1,400hp, and doesnt require new cylinder sleeves until around 650+HP, and stock crankshaft is rated for 500HP

pistons and rods are the only weak part of the bottom end.

jlmd

From where I stand right now with parts, it wont cost another double or triple to build the engine.

Based on IONNINJA's post on the 3rd page it would cost me roughly another $2500 for a built head, pistons, rods, head studs and new head gasket..going turbo at this point would cost me that for sure.

I've got just about everything you've got there with the exception of the head, studs, gasket....and I've already spent alot more then you have for the parts I have....$500+ for exhaust, $500+ for header/dp. Already have cams on the way...only stage 1 though.

Based on full bolt ons, stg1 cams and a tune, where would you suspect I would sit right now in terms of WHP? Estimates obviously..

What is the reason that will make it unreliable as a DD? Stronger parts hurt that ability?

Projekt

do you want 200 whp or good times at the track

if good times is what u seek, make sure you do tires/mounts. will make a huge difference

jlmd

200 whp is my goal. May never get there...may get close and throw on a small nitrous shot to get there in the end, but im checking all the options.

Mounts already done. upper motor and front/rear tranny from ttr.

Blue_Balt

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You don't think too hard, that's for sure.

I believe because when you put in better cams, the vibrating would be very annoying or something. I hear if you have an manual tranny and put in new cams, that you'll will have a hard time not stalling the car because of the crazy idle.

Perfect.disguise

All that monet to have 200hp and still be slow....
I would use that money to buy a 1G GSX and use the extra in mods or a LT1 Trans Am and have a DD and a car thats well over 200hp.....

HunterKiller89

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^^ dont go this route....i can make a 80's civic have 300hp cheaper than that, but thats not the point. He has a cobalt, not an 80's civic or a trans am

Projekt

i lol'd when i read this...

not at him...at you.

for the price of a n/a build you could easily have a s/c build done, like a certian somone is doing to their 2.2

jlmd

That helps, thanks!

Perfect.disguise

Yes, and if he bought one he would still..have a Cobalt..
That way when something goes wrong he will still have the basicaly stock Cobalt to DD.
Ehh, 80's Civics are ugly as hell..I'm sure you plan on getting it to 300whp with a swap/turbo so that fits a little more than just 80's Civics..

roadrage06

Don't forget to buy a lifetime supply of Viagra, because you will instantly develope erectile disfunction after dumping this much money into a car for only 200hp and getting beat by almost everything coming off a car lot today.

Sorry man, I admire your curiousity to go all-motor. I guess it would be cool to feel the difference in how the engine responds in this little 4-banger on all-motor, but it's kinda like doing work to a lawn mower -- it'll do the same job it did before, only a little faster and the only people your gonna beat are other lawn mowers.

To me, modding a car is about moving up in rank, it's fun and slightly amusing to see a car go from stock to beating cars that are in a different "class". How much rank can you gain if you'd still lose to a stock SS/SC? You'll go from hanging with Stock civics, to hanging with modded civics.

Get an SS/SC, that way when you mod, you move up classes. You'll go from beating civics, other modded 4-bangers, to beating stock and lightly modded Evo's, Sti's, 350z's, G35's,.... you get the picture.

SuperchargedSS

Easy...

First bolt this up:



Then

http://www.zorst.com/kitinfo.html

Then





Hehehe, just kiddin. I wish you well on your build and if you have the money, the time, and its what you want, then build up what you want. Sure it may be harder than FI (lik eyou didnt know), and more expensive, but it would be more original and for that you get big points. If its rare, I like it, maybe thats why I bought an SC, around here, they are rare. Turbos are everywhere. My buddy bought a toda crate engine for his rsx-s, its 315whp N/A and I think he lost both nuts in the payment. But wow, what a beautiful car, and when he enters a show, he wins. Also, when people ask the whp and then find out its a 4cyl all motor build, they kneel and pray. I like the idea, just budget time and money.