2.2L L61 Performance Tech 16 valve 145 hp EcoTec with 155 lb-ft of torque

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Old 09-19-2008, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by xcmx
i plan on ripping my car apart once the loans paid off..i want to convert mine to rwd with a v8.
Good luck with that, make a how-to thread and post pics!
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Originally Posted by xcmx
i plan on ripping my car apart once the loans paid off..i want to convert mine to rwd with a v8.
Why didn't you just buy a rwd v8 in the first place then?
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You do all of this .. buy me a turbo.. mine will cost let..and i'll beat your n/a lol.
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Originally Posted by RyanRacer48
You do all of this .. buy me a turbo.. mine will cost let..and i'll beat your n/a lol.
a totally unnecessary comment....
Old 09-20-2008, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HunterKiller89
a totally unnecessary comment....
I agree so Ill make another one.
Old 09-22-2008, 05:40 PM
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Seriously? LOL We need to be encouraging this guy to do this so we can have some ideas on what can be done w/o F/I. I bet it could easily be done a lot cheaper than your all eluding to.

We've got people on here w/ stock internals hitting upwards of 165 WHP. Thats really not that far off what hes shooting for. I think copson said he was in that HP range.

We take what people have achieved thus far, and run w/ it. I'm sure boring it out a bit would add some ponies, perhaps larger injectors if needed. Pistons, lifters, etc (internals to handle higher rpm)

DEFINITELY a tune to open up more of the RPM range, & perhaps take advantage of 94 rather than 87.
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Originally Posted by RyanRacer48
You do all of this .. buy me a turbo.. mine will cost let..and i'll beat your n/a lol.
dont listen to people like this....MY car is NA ..and ive beat sc AND turbo ecotecs before...dont believe me? ask Jn2...
does it cost more...DEFINETLY ...is it worth it? i think it all depends on the individual..personally i prefer na over boost...just my cup o tea
Old 09-22-2008, 08:26 PM
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true...200+whp cavalier ^^^^
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Originally Posted by Jn2
true...200+whp cavalier ^^^^
*cough* N/A *cough *
Old 09-22-2008, 08:38 PM
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i think you could very easily get to 200 whp. Just throw some aem, injen, and any other types of stickers you could find on there. A shift knob is always good for about 20 horses, and neon underglow will put you in the mid 200 range. This can be dont very easily. If you wanna be up there with the sti and evos though you gotta start putting on higher end mods like loud exhaust and maybe a BOV.
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Originally Posted by Section8cav
dont listen to people like this....MY car is NA ..and ive beat sc AND turbo ecotecs before...dont believe me? ask Jn2...
does it cost more...DEFINETLY ...is it worth it? i think it all depends on the individual..personally i prefer na over boost...just my cup o tea
hmm.. enlighten me. whatcha got?
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Stop acting like children and get on topic.


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Originally Posted by Erod
Stop acting like children and get on topic.


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come on now erod, its meee

and were not far from topic...but to get back i on track heres my .02

first..youll need to come up with some cash,a loan,credit card whatever it takes lol
next stage2 cams,11:1 or higher pistons,head port work,overbore,toss the balance shafts,get the light stuff,crank,flywheel,etc.a long tube header,2.4 intake,.injectors....and i know everyone likes to throw the word "tune" in there likes its an actual mod but with everything listed above youll probably need a "tune" just to make things run right,not too mention make the most power out of it...and PERSONALLY, i think youd make more if you could get the 2.4 crank to work in your 2.2 block.......are you starting to see the financial problems here? lol
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Originally Posted by Section8cav
come on now erod, its meee

and were not far from topic...but to get back i on track heres my .02

first..youll need to come up with some cash,a loan,credit card whatever it takes lol
next stage2 cams,11:1 or higher pistons,head port work,overbore,toss the balance shafts,get the light stuff,crank,flywheel,etc.a long tube header,2.4 intake,.injectors....and i know everyone likes to throw the word "tune" in there likes its an actual mod but with everything listed above youll probably need a "tune" just to make things run right,not too mention make the most power out of it...and PERSONALLY, i think youd make more if you could get the 2.4 crank to work in your 2.2 block.......are you starting to see the financial problems here? lol
for **** sure he will need a tune.
so my question for you mister cavalier man, would you go back and do an n/a build again?
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Originally Posted by Greased
for **** sure he will need a tune.
so my question for you mister cavalier man, would you go back and do an n/a build again?
wow..ya know thats a really good question..not sure if i can answer it honestly
so are we talking if i had ANOTHER car?, or if i had to do it all over again?
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Originally Posted by Section8cav
wow..ya know thats a really good question..not sure if i can answer it honestly
so are we talking if i had ANOTHER car?, or if i had to do it all over again?
i still think we should sts turbo your car, 7psi wont hurt :p ur engine can take it, and STS are easy to mount, all you would need would be bigger injectors and some tuning
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yoo jn2 elborate on this a bit please. I'm interested myself. Longevity was the reason I decided to stay n/a.
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Originally Posted by Section8cav
wow..ya know thats a really good question..not sure if i can answer it honestly
so are we talking if i had ANOTHER car?, or if i had to do it all over again?
im just wondering if you went back to before your build would you go N/A again or FI/N20
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yes Jn2, my bottom end is bulletproof so ofcourse it can take it

and Greased..if i could go back and start from scratch i think i still would build N/A, im really happy with it, theres nothing like out running a boosted car without power adders.
but if i had to build ANOTHER car (which im planning) yes, it will be boosted..not really a point in having TWO n/a cars now is there lol
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LOOK! Polite discourse! Ahhhhhh. Good job.




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Old 09-24-2008, 01:05 AM
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lol i saw a mod was the last to post and there wasnt a lock sign, so i had to come in here and check it out..lol...yeah civilized conversations wow
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LOL jn2 lock happy mods!! pm me about that turbo u were referring to.
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STS turbos Youll need to buy a universal system. I think it was TTR that was actually considering stocking the kit. (it may have been another vendor)
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Since you want to go NA.
Your best bet on a budget is the following.

Pull the head yourself, if you cannot port it, have it ported and flow benched.
Get a set of high lift ( but safe ) and high duration cams 264s or therebouts. This will significantly reduce dynamic compression in a lot of ways. So have your head slightly decked.

Then you need to make a custom intake manifold, and reduce the runner length to about 5 inches at 1.65 inches for average runner diameter.

With this tuned it will bring you to 200 WHP.
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Originally Posted by 2JZ4ME
Pull the head yourself, if you cannot port it, have it ported and flow benched.
If you cant have it ported, get it ported? Could you elaborate on this?


Get a set of high lift ( but safe ) and high duration cams 264s or therebouts.
what kind of numbers are you contemplating for valve lift? because if you get into truly high lift and youll need to run serious springs, possibly get springs seat machine work and youll start approaching the area where solid lash adjusters are used. 264 ot thereabouts? I can only surmise that you must be talking about 264 advertised duration as 264 @ lash would be insane, that said a 264advertised cam is still a really serious piece, and not what most people would consider streetable, 264 is what the Comp STGIII intake cam is advertised as. Like I said, not really a street friendl cam

This will significantly reduce dynamic compression in a lot of ways. So have your head slightly decked.
In a lot of ways? really? I am pretty sure it would only reduce in two ways, and that would the same way all cams bleed compression, by leaving the intake valve open into the compression stroke, and opening the exhaust valve during the power stroke. Would you care to detail any of the other ways the cams ou recommend would bleed dynamic compression??

Then you need to make a custom intake manifold, and reduce the runner length to about 5 inches at 1.65 inches for average runner diameter.
I am very interested to know what formulae and criterion youve used to determine runner length, and cross section diameter. Would you care to offer further details regarding plenum volume and ideal TB placement in order to achieve our goals?

With this tuned it will bring you to 200 WHP.
I was wondering what youve estimated the BMEP to be for this combination......



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