copson20

LOL.Well since this turns the tables and i have Stage 1 and matt has Stage 2 i think that this would be fun and find who makes more power and where!!
Im really excited

TurboTechRacing

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Yeah sounds VERY interesting, we would like to see the differnce also. From what we have saw on the ecotec cavalier (same engine)

About 8-10 on the TTR stage 1 and 10-12 (maybe up to 14) on the TTR stage 2

burzumaske20

Maybe i should give the stage 3 a shot

copson20

that would be cool. let the races begin lol

burzumaske20

I would pop in the stage 3's but my main concern is if I did go supercharger down the road,would I be wasting money if they won't properly work well with each other,or hold of completely until I get the supercharger and get the cams.That would be a hard decision to make honestly.

Spanky's Monkey

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i'll still be faster with cams and the spray......lol.

burzumaske20

I wouldn't mind the spray but people said by the time you keep on refilling it you could of bought a supercharger or turbo.I think its a preference though on what people want with their cars

Spanky's Monkey

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the blower is going to require a different setup in valve timing which is why the blower cams have different lift durations. the NA cams require a certain amount of scavenging to fill the cylinder and cool it at the same time. the overlap in the cam profiles used on NA cams isn't neccesary for a system that forces the air in. you can use the stage 3 cams but you will need the cam gears to adjust the valves overlap timing.



edit: that's why i'm running two bottles, yeah baby.

burzumaske20

well I am going to build up the motor either way,I rather play it safe then sorry with a turbo or a supercharger.Just wasn't 100% sure if the stage 3 ones would work well with the supercharger.

massivematt

"Dear heavenly spirit, thank you for providing us with direct port nitrous injection, four core intercoolers, ball bearing turbos, and titanium valve springs, Amen" LOL

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

amen,

and yes they'll definitely work with the adjustable cam gears.

massivematt

this will be interesting...stage 1 VS. stage 2. I'll drive by his house at midnight and lobe next to his window. HAHAAAAAAAA

Spanky's Monkey

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lawlz

IonNinja

why run N/A cams when Comp offers blower cams?

burzumaske20

I wasn't 100% sure which cams to use exactly,but spankey's monkey said I can use the adjustable timing gear with the stage 3,but if the blower cams will work fine with the supercharger then I don't mind running the blower cams then.

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

more lift on the stage 3 cams and with proper tuning and setup it'll produce just that much more power when coupled with the blower. although the stage 3 will lose on bottom end compared to the blower cam the top-ends gonna wind-out strong on a high revving build.

RedBaseBolt

Any #'s yet?

burzumaske20

no one dyno them yet with the cams,

Area47

do ANY of you understand what an n/a cam, vs a blower cam, vs a turbo cam will do on the outcome? or are you just pulling things out of your ass

MadBrad

Nope, but let them learn the hard way, $1000+ down the line, than they will learn. I don't know much either, but I plan doing more research before I even think about pulling internals.

::Looks at Forks laying on ground::
::Picks up one::
::Sticks into socket::
::#!@($*&#($&@#::
::Picks up other fork::

o3nisoaso3

http://compcams.com/Cam_Specs/Browse.aspx

the cams with the 113200 part number are stage 1, 113300 part number are stage 2, 113400 are stage 3 (N/A builds these are most common for) 113150 part number are turbo grind and 113250 part number are a blower grind... the boost cams are not considered stage 1 or 2 or anything, just turbo n blower. the other part numbers have stage 1-3. so therefor spanky is right, you have stage 1 cams!

i do but i guess not many others do man... unleash on the kids b

Area47

naa. im ok. i had to learn the hard way. so shall they

o3nisoaso3

yea, i learned the hard way about two years ago with installing those stage 1 cams copson20 just put on. i was 180 out on intake and bent valves snapped a lifer . thats why i now have full valvetrain and stage 2 113300 part number is what i have now

Area47

um. how'd you get them 180 out. the gears are offset keyed

o3nisoaso3

i have no idea. thats just what the mechanic said at the dealer. i mean everything was in right and turned fine by hand. when i went to start it just cranked n cranked and then backfire and high pitch ping noise. then pulled cover off to see all the rockers laying next to head studs and a snapped lifter

and that got me pissed so i pulled the head and just got all new **** and built the valvetrain n forged pistons/rods all at once.