2.2L L61 Performance Tech 16 valve 145 hp EcoTec with 155 lb-ft of torque

neon vs cobalt 2.2L

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Old 09-20-2006, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nomoreavril
the guy that made this vid is a fagget, but this is the best sound in the world.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...d54a3381d1.htm
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compare the 3" no cat SRT exhaust to a stock cobalt exhaust? LOL you guys really are friggin hilarious.

I don't think the 3" exhaust was designed with a good sound quality in mind...but hey, good try on that one. BTW...the pops are designed like that from the factory...and the car has no muffler at all from the factory!
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Civic SI = 197hp, 139ft/lbs. So making 154 or 169ft/lbs isn't enough? But the LS cobalt is only 148/152. Nevermind the fact that the SI's are quite a bit lighter, and don't need the torque.
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I just severely dislike Honda engines, I am too used to American engines and i just can't find the power band. I know they are good cars and reliable i will just probity never own one cause i don't have fun driving them. I have more fun driving my moms 1994 Pontiac transport! As far as Neon's go i have only driven automatic 1999 neons. I hate them and I had way more fun driving my 97 escort, in fact i raced a few in my 97 escort and won most of the time. The biggest problem with cars is that no 2 cars drive the same, some peoples 2.2 ecotecs are slower than other peoples 2.2 ecotecs. It is just the nature of machining, i know this cause my parents have a 2.2 coupe 5spd and so do i. My parents car actually moves a bit better at high rpm than mine!
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LOL you drove an automatic neon...and you're basing the fun level off of that? MY GOD..i'm sorry That's the first thing I did when I got my last '99 DOHC ATX was swap the damn thing to a 5-speed.

As far as the honda powerband, I have to agree with you...which is why I went forced induction. I just can't get over having to rev the **** out of the cars to get any power...but once you get used to it, damn they're fun. But hey...to each their own.
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How did this turn into a "Honda's make good power" thread? Anyways here's a little something for the subject...

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this is still going? let me go take a dump... it will be more exciting than this thread...

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Originally Posted by solodogg
Nevermind the fact that the SI's are quite a bit lighter, and don't need the torque.
GM Canada (which I have found to be *much* more accurate that their own US page) has the base coupe at 2730 lb, while the Si comes in at 2886. Even the 2.4 SS with its extra standard gear is 2815 lb. Only the ss/sc is heavier, albeit it just barely, at 2925 lb.

Hondas aren't as light as they used to be...still, that doesn't keep it from being the best performing Si to date.
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Originally Posted by solodogg
LOL you drove an automatic neon...and you're basing the fun level off of that? MY GOD..i'm sorry That's the first thing I did when I got my last '99 DOHC ATX was swap the damn thing to a 5-speed.

As far as the honda powerband, I have to agree with you...which is why I went forced induction. I just can't get over having to rev the **** out of the cars to get any power...but once you get used to it, damn they're fun. But hey...to each their own.
GAH!!!! thats what i have been saying!!!! you have to rev the **** out of them to make any power which is annoying....torque is always there, that's why i like having torque and that is why i hate honda/ toyota engines (besides the jz's)!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Edmonds
Honda has also made the new car 9.1 inches longer, 2.2 inches wider and 3.2 inches lower than a 2005 Si. And it rides on a 3.1-inch-longer wheelbase (104.3 inches), which it shares with the Civic coupe, but not the sedan. For the first time, the Civic sedan and coupe don't share a wheelbase. The sedan's is 2 inches longer. (We'll post a first drive of the 2006 Civic Coupe, Sedan and Hybrid next week.)

Those new dimensions have added 95 pounds to the Si's curb weight, and have swiped almost 3 inches of rear legroom. Unless you hang with supermodels and NBA stars, the car's backseat remains usable. And let's face it, if you're driving a Civic, even an Si, you ain't hangin' with Tyra and Shaq.
Curb Weight MT 2877

I don't see how this is so much lighter than a cobalt ...
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
Curb Weight MT 2877

I don't see how this is so much lighter than a cobalt ...
Exactly! Refer to post # 83.
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so, now can anyone see why it runs a good half second slower than a ss/sc? DING DING DING... we have an answer! Lack of torque
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Boom Head Shot!
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and for the record... i'll SMOKE your neon... from 0-6mph...
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Originally Posted by nomoreavril
i still think srt-4s exhausts sound like poop
i think my srts exhaust sounds awesome
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Originally Posted by solodogg
as opposed to denying it? comeon people...i know reading takes some time, but really...it's not that difficult. Is english your native language, or would you rather that I post in a different language that's easier for you to understand???

who gives a **** how they make power...they have more of it...and the car is lighter. what else do you need to know? Great...you might be able to jump on a Civic SI off the line since you have more down low power..but they'll blast you on the top end.
yes I can read just fine...its not hard to interpret

How high the car rev's doesn't mean jack...
which has already been addressed...have a good day.
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Originally Posted by solodogg
ROFLMAO because I don't know how to drive? HAHAHAHA that's got to be one of the funniest things i've ever heard...especially since i've been drag racing for the past 8 years of my life, and even won 1st place at Mopar Nationals 2003. That's friggin hilarious.

And you're more than welcome to bring your ATX base cobalt on down anytime...like I said, I know many 5-speed base neons i'll throw up against your cobalt any day of the week. Hell i'll even go for the slow 2000 ATX base neon bastard child...and bet it'd still be a damn good race. Any takers???

If you think you can beat those "stock" neons...then i'll even climb in the seat of my own vehicle... http://www.tristatecarz.com/solodogg/stumpy



sorry bro i didnt know anyone was supposed to be impressed by that..... i had a neon infact a 2001 with a hahn racecraft turbosystem yeah it was pretty sick but do to a little thing called and old lady with a lincoln and the side of my car its not with me anymore and so i bought a 2.2 ecotec cobalt and sorry but i see much much more potential with it and i have yet to lose to any neon besides a srt-4 that means 95-05 se/es/ and r/t
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Originally Posted by nomoreavril
No way, I think the SRT-4's exhaust sounds qay better than a SS/SC or RL exhaust. BTW, that exhaust isn't stock. Continue
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4 cylinder exhaust minus mufflers and cat = ****

I've only heard a select few of SRT-4 exhausts that actually sounded good
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i have only heard one srt 4 exhaust and i thought it sounded awesome, it was an 04 w/ stage 3 and all the toys, it had everything, it sounded like it had so much power, and just so deep and loud, all i could say was wow
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no offense to anyone, seriously this is just an opinion, not meant to bash anyone. The only 4 cylinder exhausts i have heard that i like are that of wrx's and sti's (the boxer engine just sounds good) and one srt-4 exhaust. this is that exhaust
http://modernperformance.com/dcx/mpx..._exhaust.shtml

it is quite a bit deeper in person.
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Originally Posted by nomoreavril
i still think srt-4s exhausts sound like poop
YES!! i saw one the other day in traffic and had him wind it up and it was absolutely terrible until his bov went off.
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