View Poll Results: Should this new 1.8 be available for the Cobalt?
Yes!
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NEW 140bhp 1.8 ecotec
07-20-2005, 10:47 PM
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If you are a guy with an LS or LT whos aspiring to an SS in the next few years you should be happy... All the carmakers have to be above a certain average MPG across the board for all the cars they sell (cant remeber the exact number right this moment) ... thats why only 14 or 16% if mustangs are GTs... Not because its a limited model.. but because they have to keep the model lines MPG up... Thats why they stopped with the V10 excursions and stuff... It kills them when a car get 4miles to the gallon or whatever....
BUT ANYWAYS... boy that was long...
If they can increase the average fuel mileage of the line.. they can make more SS's !!!
Atleast I think... Maybe im totally off base there...
BUT ANYWAYS... boy that was long...
If they can increase the average fuel mileage of the line.. they can make more SS's !!!
Atleast I think... Maybe im totally off base there...
07-21-2005, 08:56 AM
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Nope you're not off.its called CAFE.or Corporate Average Fuel Economy, and exactly as you stated every non-commercial(light duty) vehicle a manufacturer makes is averaged together to come up with its CAF, they get fined, etc, for dropping below this number, and GM has the highest CAFE number in the USA as far as I know. I wouldnt worry about CAFE being a reason you cant get an SS though..........its numbers are over the average so it actually helps. The only vehicle actually below the number are the gas v-8 1/2 ton trucks/SUV's..everything else is over(I believe)
07-21-2005, 10:58 AM
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I have one question for everyone that had something bad to say... where do you get this info about chevy being such low quality and "behind" the game??? do you live in a cave???
chevy has a ton of cars with GREAT not even just good BUT over 30mpg GREAT fuel milage... they have freakin commercials about it!!!!
Also chevys have become one of the most reliable and highly rated cars... JD power rates almost every chevy excellent and most insurance studies show them to be safe and reliable.
but oh i'm sorry a chevy is just a dinosaur that guzzles gas right?
chevy has a ton of cars with GREAT not even just good BUT over 30mpg GREAT fuel milage... they have freakin commercials about it!!!!
Also chevys have become one of the most reliable and highly rated cars... JD power rates almost every chevy excellent and most insurance studies show them to be safe and reliable.
but oh i'm sorry a chevy is just a dinosaur that guzzles gas right?
01-04-2006, 04:06 AM
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To add fuel to the fire.. My 1998 Monte Carlo w/ the oh-so-antiquated 3.1l PUSHROD v6 gets 30 mpg on the highway. At 113,000 miles it does this without a hiccup.
Repairs since 2001: Starter, Alternator, Battery, Lower intake manifold gaskets. All the rest is maintainence.
Back on topic: Belt driven cams are pointless and a great way to exact money from customers' wallets come repair time. The only detrimental things I notice with a chain-driven DOHC engine is chain whine at high RPMs... I honestly don't think that's a bad thing at all... Chain whine is similar to blower whine.
Repairs since 2001: Starter, Alternator, Battery, Lower intake manifold gaskets. All the rest is maintainence.
Back on topic: Belt driven cams are pointless and a great way to exact money from customers' wallets come repair time. The only detrimental things I notice with a chain-driven DOHC engine is chain whine at high RPMs... I honestly don't think that's a bad thing at all... Chain whine is similar to blower whine.
02-06-2007, 06:51 AM
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your wish comes true chaps in America, this engine will be in the Saturn(Opel) Astra that'll come here later this year.
See, I told you this would come.
See, I told you this would come.
02-07-2007, 03:28 AM
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Didn't know this would be high revving and torqueless, was hoping it would be like civic's 140hp 1.8 but with a real 140 (or near) at the wheels with low rev power to match.
people, why do u confuse this with honda engines?
if you have read the article, it says this:
Ninety percent of the 175 Nm maximum torque is available over a wide range from 2200 to 6200 rpm, which ensures lively performance even at low engine speeds, for relaxed everyday driving.
This is a highish power engine with high torque.
people, why do u confuse this with honda engines?
if you have read the article, it says this:
Ninety percent of the 175 Nm maximum torque is available over a wide range from 2200 to 6200 rpm, which ensures lively performance even at low engine speeds, for relaxed everyday driving.
This is a highish power engine with high torque.
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02-07-2007, 06:04 PM
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This engine would be a great addtion to the Cobalt line, because as a economic car the 2.2's fuel consumption is much higher than class norm. Corolla's 1.8 get 42 mpg while cobalt's 2.2 gets only 27. The new 1.8 will beat corolla's 1.8 power and almost match the 2.2 and gets much better economy. This will really rank up Cobalt's slow sales. With fuel prices so steep nowadays, the cobalt just couldn't survive with only the large 2.2 as the base model.
BUT I do all city stop and go driving. I get 35+ on the highway. This is with an auto.
The 1.8L sounds like it would be good for the cobalt.
Didn't know this would be high revving and torqueless, was hoping it would be like civic's 140hp 1.8 but with a real 140 (or near) at the wheels with low rev power to match.
people, why do u confuse this with honda engines?
if you have read the article, it says this:
Ninety percent of the 175 Nm maximum torque is available over a wide range from 2200 to 6200 rpm, which ensures lively performance even at low engine speeds, for relaxed everyday driving.
This is a highish power engine with high torque.
people, why do u confuse this with honda engines?
if you have read the article, it says this:
Ninety percent of the 175 Nm maximum torque is available over a wide range from 2200 to 6200 rpm, which ensures lively performance even at low engine speeds, for relaxed everyday driving.
This is a highish power engine with high torque.
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12-22-2007, 11:27 AM
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Dead horse. Not sure if its posted elsewhere, BUT:
The 1.8 will be the only powerplant for the Astra when it officially launches on 1/2/08. Its called RPO "2HO" and its NOT the same as the L850/L880 ECOTECS we all know and love, its the old Family 1 rear breathing belt driven engine that we never used in the USA. Its got an 80.5mm bore and a 88.2mm stroke, none of the parts swap between this engine and our current 2.0/2.2/2.4. It uses a cast iron block and crank, forged steel rods, and an aluminum head. If anyone wants and it hasnt been done I can start a new thread on just this engine. I just put this here since the Cobalt isnt scheduled to get this engine.
The 1.8 will be the only powerplant for the Astra when it officially launches on 1/2/08. Its called RPO "2HO" and its NOT the same as the L850/L880 ECOTECS we all know and love, its the old Family 1 rear breathing belt driven engine that we never used in the USA. Its got an 80.5mm bore and a 88.2mm stroke, none of the parts swap between this engine and our current 2.0/2.2/2.4. It uses a cast iron block and crank, forged steel rods, and an aluminum head. If anyone wants and it hasnt been done I can start a new thread on just this engine. I just put this here since the Cobalt isnt scheduled to get this engine.
12-22-2007, 02:50 PM
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I have no objections to the 1.8 w/ 140 HP.... It a perfectly good powerplant!
I know I am showing my age but my first new car was a 1.6 liter 1979 Ford Fiesta w/ 66 HP and a 4 speed 0-60 was like 10.5 seconds and top end was 105 mph....
it was almost as fast as the 1979 BMW 318 which did 0-60 in 10.3 seconds and top end was probably 110
So, the 1.8 w/ 140 HP will be a perfectly fine motor for those who want it.... and to everyone who is spoiled....just don't buy one
oh and the stock Fiesta's ran on 12" rims
I know I am showing my age but my first new car was a 1.6 liter 1979 Ford Fiesta w/ 66 HP and a 4 speed
0-60 was like 10.5 seconds and top end was 105 mph.... it was almost as fast as the 1979 BMW 318 which did 0-60 in 10.3 seconds and top end was probably 110
So, the 1.8 w/ 140 HP will be a perfectly fine motor for those who want it.... and to everyone who is spoiled....just don't buy one
oh and the stock Fiesta's ran on 12" rims
12-22-2007, 03:02 PM
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i didnt bother reading this whole thread so sorry if this is a repost....... but i'm pretty darn sure this is the same motor that is going to be in the new Saturn Astra. This car is identical to the Opel version. same name and everything, just a different badge on the front and back. you can check out the saturn website. it's gonna be a pretty cool little car.
12-22-2007, 04:16 PM
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140hp outta a 1.8 and they cant do better from the 2.2s or 2.4s????
i mean its got a higher compression than the 2.2 n same as 2.4
smaller bore/stroke than both and makes almost the same power...
need to have a 200hp 2.2 factory... honda does it with the k20
i mean its got a higher compression than the 2.2 n same as 2.4
smaller bore/stroke than both and makes almost the same power...
need to have a 200hp 2.2 factory... honda does it with the k20
12-26-2007, 12:22 PM
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The K20Z3 in the new Si's is a cool engine since its nearly(197) 200hp from an NA 2.0L but only has 139ftlbs and it doesnt hit until 6100rpm. The Si's are gutless until wound tight(over 6000rpm) and then they fall way out of powerband when you shift unless you let it overrev like 5 or 600 rpm....
The 2.2L has that much torque from about 1200rpm all the way to 6000rpm. The Cobalt SS's LNF 2.0Turbo makes that much torque from barely off idle all the way to redline!(not mention alomst double the peak torque from 2000-5500) The Cobalt SS is gonna smoke the Si( not that the SS/SC didnt already do that
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I havent heard anything about an NA 2.0 SIDI/VVT
The 2.2L has that much torque from about 1200rpm all the way to 6000rpm. The Cobalt SS's LNF 2.0Turbo makes that much torque from barely off idle all the way to redline!(not mention alomst double the peak torque from 2000-5500) The Cobalt SS is gonna smoke the Si( not that the SS/SC didnt already do that
)I havent heard anything about an NA 2.0 SIDI/VVT
12-29-2007, 08:53 PM
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i voted yes.
it goes both way for me though.
yes- better gas milage, cleaner emissions, lighter
no- it IS a 1.8 L engine, this is america!
but the ss s/c is only .2 L more. so chew on that.
i think it sould be standard on the avao, but optional with the cobalt, like an economy package to bring the price down to like 10 g.
just my $.2
it goes both way for me though.
yes- better gas milage, cleaner emissions, lighter
no- it IS a 1.8 L engine, this is america!
but the ss s/c is only .2 L more. so chew on that.
i think it sould be standard on the avao, but optional with the cobalt, like an economy package to bring the price down to like 10 g.
just my $.2
with like 300 trq and 100hp hahahahahahaha
01-22-2008, 10:23 PM
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New Astra, recently released...
Gave this car a test drive this week, and is up there with the cobalt in almost every way (except power...and i didnt get to test the upgraded audio package). Soft touch surfaces, rides/handles very well...
Gave this car a test drive this week, and is up there with the cobalt in almost every way (except power...and i didnt get to test the upgraded audio package). Soft touch surfaces, rides/handles very well...
01-23-2008, 11:00 AM
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http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...3001/1005/FREE
138 HP
125lb-ft
0 TO 60 MPH: 9.7 sec
For around the base price of the Astra you could probably find a Cobalt sports coupe or sedan with the 2.4L instead.