celicacobalt

this engine is built for racing so it should hold power very well, im still curious why gm went with a supercharger on such a small engine? if they would have went turbo on the ss it would have ate an srt-4 and been way more upgradable. the only reason i can think of why they went supercharged is due to reliabilty concerns but any one who wants real power knows there will be reliabilty problems

selfinfliction

that's a pretty good deal for that setup.... everything you need for $3500 too bad a twincharge isn't just a bolt on upgrade lol. i'd be all over this one

edaddee

Frank, I've been wondering how this kit matches up to the upcoming hahn kit. Both kits seem nice, w/good parts on either, could you give some input on the difference?

DoNtGeTdUnNuP

will you ever come out with a twin turbo for the 2.2L? that would be sick.

BlackSS05

what happens if we wanna put this on our ss??? will it fit bsides gettin a new header???

DoNtGeTdUnNuP

i dont understand the psi thing. i believe it stands for pounds per square inch, which is referring probably to the air being forced in by the turbo. you say no upgrades are needed to run your stage 3 as long as you stay under 8psi. that seems weak then because the ss/sc are pushing 12-14psi. if im not mistaken, then i wouldnt be getting the whole 90 hp that the turbo offers considering that its $3500. i dont know anything about it. i wouldnt even know how to set the "psi". someone enlighten me.

frankmckeever

That's correct, but the SS motor is DESIGNED to take that 14 psi. The ecotec motor is not designed for very high levels of boost. With the 9 psi (90 horsepower on this kit), you'd have MORE power than the SS. The general rule is that for every 1 psi, it's an extra 10 horsepower. HOWEVER, the 2.2L ecotec motor starts out with MORE power before the turbo kit, so you cant say "Oh, well, without the supercharger...the SS would only be 60 horsepower." - This is not true...

And yes, PSI = Pounds per Square Inch = the amount of air being forced in by the turbocharger. More PSI = More Boost = More Power

frankmckeever

I don't see why it wouldn't The only difference would be the manifold as you pointed out.

frankmckeever

I haven't heard much about the hahn kit, unfortunately. However, I'd like to say that they're probably using header-style manifolds, while we use log-style manifolds. Those are only a personal opinion though (about which one is better or the "best").

The quality of our kits will be just as good, we'll have track times and dyno numbers to prove it, AND we'll be able to back everything up by a warranty...just like Hahn.

DoNtGeTdUnNuP

i am looking into putting an intake and a header on my car before i get a turbo.. would i have to take it off to get the turbo on or can they all be on?

IonNinja

you can't keep the header on there because the turbo manifold and turbo itself will be taking its place

as for the intake you can't really keep that either as the intake piping would now be coming off the turbo so it will be routed different.

celicacobalt

a 2.2 motor with a turbo upgrade will hand an ss it ass simply put

frankmckeever

You got it!

CoolCobalt_NY

Hmmm thinking... lol I have a 2.2... how much for that set up..?? Is it warrantied? and I would be loosing factory warranty right???? how long to get it put on???

frankmckeever

The setup should be around $3500 with a two year warranty on the turbo itself, and then a one year warranty on the intercooler and manifold. All other parts (pipes, lines, etc) have the normal 14-day return policy.

Installation usually takes anywhere from 10-12 hours. For a shop to do it, you're probably looking at anywhere between $700 - $900, but it really just depends on what shop you go to...


Thanks!

Cobalt30

and with this turbo we should be using 93 octane aswell i assume? cuz if this is the case i really hope the gas prices drop cuz if they keep going up i dont see many people actully buying this turbo like i originally planed too my self. but it is pretty damn sweet tho.

Snowman

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the 2.2 head and the 2.0 head ahve the same bolt pattenr for the exhaust and intake sides,

i have both heads and have a saab 2.0 turbo on my 2.2

frankmckeever

Yep, you'll need to use 91 or higher unfortunately.

Snowman - Are you serious?! That is some AWESOME news. Sounds like the only thing that I'll need to change around is the intake piping...GREAT! Thanks for the heads up

ecoteched

even with the gas prices going up i still plan on buying the turbo in the near future. Just as soon as i sell my old car.

MacG321

yes.. and nothing is covered by the warranty so when something goes wrong which it problably will you'll be screwed.

ecoteched

but if everything is installed correctly and the boost isnt put past the req. PSI then everything should be fine.

frankmckeever

Exactly...

BlueSSupercharged

Sorry to say but most ss have been putting down 215-220 hp to the wheels. plus the trans is built for the sc 2.0. the trans on the 2.2 is not built for a 2.2 turbo.

i would guess low 15s but not mid 14s like the ss.

MacG321

i agree....the ss's transmission is built to withstand the torque #'s that it has.

ecoteched

they will eventually come out with auto tranny upgrades such as new valve bodies and such, which will help out those people out there that are auto.......such as me