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08-25-2007, 12:50 PM
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ok maybe I should make my statement idiot proof:
Why do you need to cool you oil? Is there some type of issue that you're experiencing high oil temperatures?
It's the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Unless you're making some type of major engine change where heat temperatures are going to be rising high, getting a external oil cooler isn't needed.
To Novajoe: YOU DON'T BUY **** YOU DON'T NEED.
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Why do you need to cool you oil? Is there some type of issue that you're experiencing high oil temperatures?
It's the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Unless you're making some type of major engine change where heat temperatures are going to be rising high, getting a external oil cooler isn't needed.
To Novajoe: YOU DON'T BUY **** YOU DON'T NEED.
/end idiot proof
08-25-2007, 01:00 PM
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ok maybe I should make my statement idiot proof:
Why do you need to cool you oil? Is there some type of issue that you're experiencing high oil temperatures?
It's the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Unless you're making some type of major engine change where heat temperatures are going to be rising high, getting a external oil cooler isn't needed.
To Novajoe: YOU DON'T BUY **** YOU DON'T NEED.
/end idiot proof
Why do you need to cool you oil? Is there some type of issue that you're experiencing high oil temperatures?
It's the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Unless you're making some type of major engine change where heat temperatures are going to be rising high, getting a external oil cooler isn't needed.
To Novajoe: YOU DON'T BUY **** YOU DON'T NEED.
/end idiot proof
08-25-2007, 01:14 PM
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oh i got a question for you NJHk....i noticed my coolant temp is always around high 200*, while i've seen other just bearly up there. it doesn't start up that way but once im cruising it just sits up there. it'll go down after i let the engine idle, but as soon as i start moving again it goes back up again. do you think my coolant needs to be changed or maybe my water pump is going in or something? thanks. (oh and i know that the nitrous would actually help with cooling, but im a person who like to take caution).
08-25-2007, 01:18 PM
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lol. this thread started funny. well im going to be putting my nitrous back and i just want o some assurance for when im running at the track and i also want to get into x-cross. so i figure if i have that it'll just help. don't see it makeing anything worse.
oh i got a question for you NJHk....i noticed my coolant temp is always around high 200*, while i've seen other just bearly up there. it doesn't start up that way but once im cruising it just sits up there. it'll go down after i let the engine idle, but as soon as i start moving again it goes back up again. do you think my coolant needs to be changed or maybe my water pump is going in or something? thanks. (oh and i know that the nitrous would actually help with cooling, but im a person who like to take caution).
oh i got a question for you NJHk....i noticed my coolant temp is always around high 200*, while i've seen other just bearly up there. it doesn't start up that way but once im cruising it just sits up there. it'll go down after i let the engine idle, but as soon as i start moving again it goes back up again. do you think my coolant needs to be changed or maybe my water pump is going in or something? thanks. (oh and i know that the nitrous would actually help with cooling, but im a person who like to take caution).
when's the last time you flushed your coolant and replaced your therm?
08-25-2007, 01:19 PM
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lol. this thread started funny. well im going to be putting my nitrous back and i just want o some assurance for when im running at the track and i also want to get into x-cross. so i figure if i have that it'll just help. don't see it makeing anything worse.
oh i got a question for you NJHk....i noticed my coolant temp is always around high 200*, while i've seen other just bearly up there. it doesn't start up that way but once im cruising it just sits up there. it'll go down after i let the engine idle, but as soon as i start moving again it goes back up again. do you think my coolant needs to be changed or maybe my water pump is going in or something? thanks. (oh and i know that the nitrous would actually help with cooling, but im a person who like to take caution).
oh i got a question for you NJHk....i noticed my coolant temp is always around high 200*, while i've seen other just bearly up there. it doesn't start up that way but once im cruising it just sits up there. it'll go down after i let the engine idle, but as soon as i start moving again it goes back up again. do you think my coolant needs to be changed or maybe my water pump is going in or something? thanks. (oh and i know that the nitrous would actually help with cooling, but im a person who like to take caution).
As far as the 200*, it should be opposite, temperature rise at idle, temperature drop when in motion because now you're having air rush into the radiator (a heat exchanger) to lower the coolant temps. I would think about taking it to your dealership. It's hard to diagnose over the internet.
08-25-2007, 01:27 PM
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2) If you want to auto-x in a specific class, make sure adding an oil cooler will not bump you out of that class. Also, an oil cooler is unnecessary for auto-x. I have been running parts of 3 seasons now with no issues.
08-25-2007, 02:49 PM
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Instead of opinions how about we try something novel on this website...like a simple answer...
No one has tried it because the effort is greater than the results. It could be done but you would have to pull the engine and disassemble it, then have all the holes machined in the block for the oil cooler; oil passages and mounting holes threaded. You would also need the connectors to the cooling system. To make sure it is done right you would also need to locate a 2.0/2.4 block that has the oil cooler so a machinist could measure everything accurately.
No one has tried it because the effort is greater than the results. It could be done but you would have to pull the engine and disassemble it, then have all the holes machined in the block for the oil cooler; oil passages and mounting holes threaded. You would also need the connectors to the cooling system. To make sure it is done right you would also need to locate a 2.0/2.4 block that has the oil cooler so a machinist could measure everything accurately.
Why the hell would you need to remove your engine to install a EXTERNAL OIL COOLER?
08-25-2007, 02:58 PM
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Instead of opinions how about we try something novel on this website...like a simple answer...
No one has tried it because the effort is greater than the results. It could be done but you would have to pull the engine and disassemble it, then have all the holes machined in the block for the oil cooler; oil passages and mounting holes threaded. You would also need the connectors to the cooling system. To make sure it is done right you would also need to locate a 2.0/2.4 block that has the oil cooler so a machinist could measure everything accurately.
No one has tried it because the effort is greater than the results. It could be done but you would have to pull the engine and disassemble it, then have all the holes machined in the block for the oil cooler; oil passages and mounting holes threaded. You would also need the connectors to the cooling system. To make sure it is done right you would also need to locate a 2.0/2.4 block that has the oil cooler so a machinist could measure everything accurately.
Before you go giving people mis-information let me simplify this for you since you have absolutely no idea what it is your talking about.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PULL THE MOTOR OR DISASSEMBLE IT!!!!
Oil coolers are very simple to add and there are several companies that produce them.
In most cases it is as simple as a sandwich adapter that goes between the filer housing and the block. Others are used in conjunction with filter relocation kits. A simple thing to do.
So please refrain from posting mis-information as facts and do some reading up.
Thank you and have a nice day.
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And if you really would like I can ban you if that makes you feel any better.
08-25-2007, 05:57 PM
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NJHK im out of warranty so ima have to do it myself...but i do have some connections at the dealership. at a stop it'll get warmer but drop back down to about 178*. driving, it'll cool down once im cruising to about 190*ish but from a stop it just goes up so quickly and is on an average of 200*+.
i haven't changed coolant or therm.
is there a company that you would recomend for an aplication like this? i haven't seen the sandwhich plate for our cars. then again i haven't seen any. thanks
08-25-2007, 06:06 PM
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Oil temps and coolent temps are totaly different. As for an oil cooler itself they are nice to have IF you plan to push your car VERY hard for long periods of time at a shot. If you don't auto x or do any kind of endurance racing then its honetly not a mod worth doing.
I had used the largest Hayden transmission cooler, cut the small conections off the tubes and that way it was the same diameter as the oil coolers they sell for a fraction of the price! Now I ran it on my 550+ hp Pontiac Big Block that I used to race and it did in fact drop engine temps by about 30 to 50 degrees. But I ran the ever lovin **** out of that car!
I had used the largest Hayden transmission cooler, cut the small conections off the tubes and that way it was the same diameter as the oil coolers they sell for a fraction of the price! Now I ran it on my 550+ hp Pontiac Big Block that I used to race and it did in fact drop engine temps by about 30 to 50 degrees. But I ran the ever lovin **** out of that car!
08-25-2007, 06:19 PM
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NJHK im out of warranty so ima have to do it myself...but i do have some connections at the dealership. at a stop it'll get warmer but drop back down to about 178*. driving, it'll cool down once im cruising to about 190*ish but from a stop it just goes up so quickly and is on an average of 200*+.
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Seriously though, unless you're going with a really serious N/A build or forced induction and you're going to race/auto-x you shouldn't need an oil cooler. Would it be cool? Sure, but not necessary. Good luck with you project.
Seriously though, unless you're going with a really serious N/A build or forced induction and you're going to race/auto-x you shouldn't need an oil cooler. Would it be cool? Sure, but not necessary. Good luck with you project.
08-25-2007, 07:55 PM
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Seems normal. 175-185 is low normal. I usually see 180s, in the summer cruising temp will be in the low 190s and it's perfectly normal to see temps over 200 after driving for a while then coming to a stop. Typically a lot of people will see over 210 if they're stopped in stop-and-go driving.
But if your maintenance calls for you to check your coolant system, I would do so.
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Seems normal. 175-185 is low normal. I usually see 180s, in the summer cruising temp will be in the low 190s and it's perfectly normal to see temps over 200 after driving for a while then coming to a stop. Typically a lot of people will see over 210 if they're stopped in stop-and-go driving.
ok. i'll let you guys know what i'm doing so you can see why i'm asking. As of right now i will just be running a 75 wet shot with 2.4 intake mani swap, header, 3" d/p( i know it'll effect power w/o the N2O), corsa touring for the 2.0, and GM cam gears (not cams). After purchasing rods, pistons, and valve springs i will bump it up to a 2 stage system with an extra 75 wet shot at a later gear. what i want to do in the mean time is get the motor ready with a tranny and oil cooler, good brakes( of course), some nice rim n tire combo (michellin pilot on a 17X8 or 8.5), and koni struts with eibach pro-kit, strut tower brace, and eibach anti-roll kit. For appearance im gona do something different...i'm not going to tell you yet.
even if i don't get to do x-cross, then i could just do a road course for fun. i'm going to do other little stuff but nothing that needs to be mentioned.and yes i promise whe i get a good vid camera, i will do all the videos you want.
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08-26-2007, 08:58 AM
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i want to get parts for the 2.0 in the sense that i will get parts for a F/I engine. our cars have performance parts (ex. exhaust) for "our enginees" N/A. so the corsa exhaust for the 2.0 is 2.5"? i already had a 3" w/o a cat lined up to buy cheap tooo...lol.
08-26-2007, 11:04 AM
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yeah i kinda guessed that, t i was just curious because my car loses power when its in the high 190* or higher. i can actually feel it. at about 180*ish, it pulls smoothly. now i was worried about mine caz its always in the high 190*. so i don't know if THATS normal. lol.
ok. i'll let you guys know what i'm doing so you can see why i'm asking. As of right now i will just be running a 75 wet shot with 2.4 intake mani swap, header, 3" d/p( i know it'll effect power w/o the N2O), corsa touring for the 2.0, and GM cam gears (not cams). After purchasing rods, pistons, and valve springs i will bump it up to a 2 stage system with an extra 75 wet shot at a later gear. what i want to do in the mean time is get the motor ready with a tranny and oil cooler, good brakes( of course), some nice rim n tire combo (michellin pilot on a 17X8 or 8.5), and koni struts with eibach pro-kit, strut tower brace, and eibach anti-roll kit. For appearance im gona do something different...i'm not going to tell you yet. even if i don't get to do x-cross, then i could just do a road course for fun. i'm going to do other little stuff but nothing that needs to be mentioned.
and yes i promise whe i get a good vid camera, i will do all the videos you want.
ok. i'll let you guys know what i'm doing so you can see why i'm asking. As of right now i will just be running a 75 wet shot with 2.4 intake mani swap, header, 3" d/p( i know it'll effect power w/o the N2O), corsa touring for the 2.0, and GM cam gears (not cams). After purchasing rods, pistons, and valve springs i will bump it up to a 2 stage system with an extra 75 wet shot at a later gear. what i want to do in the mean time is get the motor ready with a tranny and oil cooler, good brakes( of course), some nice rim n tire combo (michellin pilot on a 17X8 or 8.5), and koni struts with eibach pro-kit, strut tower brace, and eibach anti-roll kit. For appearance im gona do something different...i'm not going to tell you yet.
even if i don't get to do x-cross, then i could just do a road course for fun. i'm going to do other little stuff but nothing that needs to be mentioned.and yes i promise whe i get a good vid camera, i will do all the videos you want.
I would also advise against the Michelin Pilots. Overpriced and underperforming for the price. There's a lot better rubber out there for less than half the price of them.