xCobalt05x

I would like to get some honest answers here please.

Here is a list of parts that i'm looking at adding to my engine. All of which can be found at turbotechracing.com

comp cams stage 1 till computer tuning is available then i move onto the stage 2 or 3 cams

ferra 1mm over sized valves

ferra dual valve springs w/ titanium retainers

10.1:1 compression wiesco pistons

and the last thing will be GMPP

CNC 2.2L ported head, which ill take to get polished and the valve guides over sized 1mm for the ferra valves.

What kinda HP do you think this would put out.

RedBaseBolt

Not as much hp as u would think, you will prolly put down no more than someone who left the engine stock.

Sorry to burst your bubble but with those lower compression pistons you're prolly still only make stock power.

xCobalt05x

well i think im still going to try and experament. see what happens. im gonna go to the dealer today and see how much the ported head costs and go from there. im probebly the only person willing to try it out but oh well. someone has to be the ginny pig and i dont mind at all. if it dont work like i hope, at least the head will be built to handle a turbo when it comes, LMAO

Halfcent

Everything you listed there is all head work except for the pistons. Here is my advice. Buy your head first, not last. Have the work you want done to it done. The Ferrea valve parts you want will cost you $850. I know, because I have them. I have the standard size, not the oversize, but the price is no different. And for the love of God, will you quit it with the boring oversize stuff. If you are going to buy the GMPP head at about $1200, why in the hell would you want to shorten its life span by boring it out. I'm not lying to you when I say that oversized components for this engine are for saving a worn out engine. This is not a big block V8. You will not get any percievable gains from doing that. You will just end up spending a lot of money.

Then, when you have your head done and built, set it aside. Then go get your pistons. You will have to get rods as well. Then take your engine apart and put all your stuff together. Use ARP head studs for the head reassembly ($120). You can use the stock GM bolts, but the studs are much better, and reuseable, where the bolts are not.

When you are done, your engine will make NO MORE POWER then it does now. You will have small gains from the performance head, but with the reduced compression you will have loss, so it will all off-set. This build is a preparation for later power adders, like nitrous or forced induction.

My build includes:
Eagle Rods
Wiseco reduced compression pistons
ARP studs
Stock head with Ferrea valve train
GMPP adjustable timing gears

And thats just the engine. I'm not even talking about the trans.
I am running on the stock ECM with no issues of any kind despite the reduced compression.

xCobalt05x

ok so then ill get the 10:1 pistons instead of the other ones.

Halfcent

If that is the case, and you are serious about it, I have the GMPP 10-1 stock replacement high performance piston set for sale. Feel free to PM me. I bought them at first thinking I was going to use them, but after a lot of consultation decided on the reduced compression instead. They are still new in the box, complete with rings, pins and locks.

xCobalt05x

well i pmd ya about them. thats about the best thing i can come up with due to my ZEX system obligation to daniel on the 1st of aug.

xCobalt05x

i would also like to say im sorry for all the bs stuff that was going on, on some of the other forums. next time someone says something negative about the work ive done ill just delet my thread.

xCobalt05x

dohhhh i forgot to go to the dealer today to get a price quote on the ported head, oh well, ill have to call tomorrow

IonNinja

so are you planning on running just nitrous or forced induction as well?

if you're buildin the bottom end might as well up the shot also! 100 shot ftw!

xCobalt05x

the cobalt ecotec build guide says that if you upgrade to the wiesco pistons, egale rods, stage 1 cam, valve train, the egnine is safe to a 150hp nitrous boost. So that will be the plan. i will push out as much as the build guide maximizes. if i want to go over the 150hp nitrous boost i have to sleve and bore the engine out, also upgrade to the 400hp rated CV axels and some other crap. so im going to keep it to the 150hp limit. more cost efective that way. but i really shouldnt be talking about what i plan on doing. its going to take a while. with only buying a part or 2 per month im looking at an 8 month project. thats not including the labor. cam work, piston install, and rod instals, head instal i can do myself at the on base auto hoby center. but if i change out the crank i dont have the resources to pull that off and would have to pay to get that done. and i would have to pay to get the engine bored over along with over sizing the valve guides on the head. this will most likely not be done till this time next year. once im done i will most likely stay N/A on nitrous. would love to go turbo when the salution comes out but i have no clue how those things work or how a boost controler works. i just know how to pump more fuel out of a gas tank and get it to the chambers. thats about all. i bet when im done ill get like 19 mile per gallon, wont bother me none, just means id have to fly back to michigan to visit. lol

xCobalt05x

here is the stage 1 cam instal on a cobalt 2.2L
video clicky here to hear the lopeing like a hot rod sound on a cobalt
http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...t=MOV02170.flv

xCobalt05x

lol i cant get over how intimidating that sounds.

Halfcent

GM part number 88958619 CNC "street" head (stock head gasket)
list price $1580.29

You should be able to get it cheaper then list if you have a couple contacts.

xCobalt05x

Wiesco Forged Pistons Cavalier/Sunfire 2002-05 Ion 2004-06 Cobalt 2005-06 2.2L Ecotec
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Competition Cams Chevrolet Cavalier/Cobalt 2.2L Ecotec 2002-06
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Ferrea Dual Valve Springs Chevrolet Cavalier, Cobalt, Saturn Ion Ecotec Engine Only
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xCobalt05x

Ferrea Competition Plus Valves Chevrolet Cavalier, Cobalt, Saturn Ion Ecotec Engine Only
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Eagle Connecting Rods Cavalier/Sunfire 2002-05 Cobalt 2005-06 Ion 2004-06 ALL 2.2L ECOTEC Only
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Pacesetter Polished Armor Coat Header 4-1 Style Chevrolet/Saturn Cobalt/Ion 2.2L 2005-06
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Brand: Eagle

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xCobalt05x

so there you go as for a complete internal rebuild, each part is listed and priced w/ part numbers from post number 15 to 21

Halfcent

You won't need the crank. The stock crank can handle over 500 HP. The price for the Ferrea parts is too high. I got the whole set, valves, springs, and retainers, for about $850. Everything else looks OK. You may want to add the GMPP adjustable cam gear set.

xCobalt05x

good call, im going to get the stage 1 cams in september so i can add a lil acceleration and can claim some REAL mods and not some exhaust crap

xCobalt05x

once Godfather Customs crack my ECU/PCM ill upgrade it to the stage 3 cam