Well I Havent Removed It Yet We Just Pulled The Fuse For It

ok so i drove 40 miles after work and no cel. so i guess it is working so far i will let you know if anything changes

last night went to leave and go home and when i started the car the cel came on. we are going to scan later and find out what the code is. i will let you know

So I Finally Got My Car Scanned For The Cel And There Was A P0411 Dtc Which Is Sai Open Circut Code. We Disconnected The Harness To The Pump And We Will See What Happens

Keep us updated.

I would say your reflash failed then. You wouldn't get a code for an SAI failure if the OS doesn't include data for SAI.

Damnit... I gotta side with Halfcent here... keep it up tho bro. Would be great if you figured this out

i was thinking the same thing when he told me what the code was. last night i got in my car and had a cel on again so i guess it is back to the drawing board...

Keep up the work shady... I was in your area for all of an hour yesterday on my way back from vacation. Sitting in an airport in Phoenix and debating on running out of the airport and not getting on a plane back to Boston... I was damn close

who did your reflash? do you drive an dogomatick or stick?

i also did a pcm reflash on my delta,with a manual trans, i work at a GM dealer so i did some research and found that the reason for the sai pump setup on my vehicle was it has california emissions. after requesting info from the vehicle i conncted to my pc went through the sps menus i was asked to select from a list of RPO choices, tire sizes, and trans(man or auto) i chose the same tire size and trans, and the non cali emiisions RPO.
i then unplugged my sai pump ,and have driven 1800 mile w/o SES for SAI

sorry for not having the actual RPOs i will repost tommorow so feel free to drop any ?s

Interesting. So basically you're just switching off California emissions?

i thought this is what he did but i guess not so we will have to redo it

So does the SAI limit the exhaust possibilities for our cars? Would we be able to still put on an after market cat back or even a full exhaust?

You can still put on a cat back, you just cannot use a tube style header, as no one makes one that will work with the SAI yet, that we know of.

Thanks a lot for the quick answer. One more quick question, do the 07's have SAI on them? Or is it just on the 06's?

some 06 have them (the later produced ones) and ALL 07s have it.

I have an 07 LT and i dont have the SAI.

Not true... not all 07's have the AIR system. Only the cars that were designed to comply with stricter emission requirements have it.

subscribed...hopefully some sort of answer or aftermarket parts that work with the SAI come out soon i want to improve my ls sooo bad. oh and a ? for you guys. i have seen the k&n typhoon intake and it looks pretty good, but how does this intake compare numberwise to the injen? also i know its a newb question but CEL is check engine light right? thanks guys:guns:

Check out the thread "restricted by SAI" We have spoken with Donna from Cobalt Addiction and if we can get a 2.2 with SAI in there, they would be willing to fabricate something which may become available. CEL is Check Engine Light, but the light itself is a MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp)

They're in NY aren't they? I'm in Northern NJ and I have an 06 w/ SAI. Hmmmm....

cool thanks. yeah if i was in NY i would gladly let them have my car to work on but i am on the other coast:thumbsdow.

Wait, where in NY? lol

finally
 

if you didnt read my last post then here it is this process was easier for me,so if u work at a dealer you can follow this word for word. if your vehicle has SAI then the rpo code is
NU3-emissions system california,connect the tech2 w/the candi module to your delta using the sps system request info from your vehicle,verify the vin matches and then connect to your dealerworld sps site. go through the procedure like normal,at the end you will be askedfor your tire size,transmission type,and emissions rpo.choose the rpo that is not NU3 then you will be able to eliminate the SAI pump and hardware. if u just get rid of the system you will need a plate to cover the diverter inlet on topof the manifold

Wait??? Is this legit? Are you telling me that the dealer can eliminate SAI? Will the car still pass emissions testing?

Only one way to find out if its legit. It sounds somewhat reasonable, but is the dealer really able to change your emissions settings? If so this sounds promising.

That looks like a real solution. And as long as you are not in California, that should be a completely legal solution.

but sucks for us in cali :lol:

NY is a bitch too... I am praying... anyone gonna try it out?

emissions
 

it should pass an emissions test the pump only runs @ startup, then it has zero functionality as far as whats coming out of your tail pipe

it still flows air into the ehxaust fter startup...lowering ALL PPM statistics

not true
 

The Secondary Air Injection (AIR) System aids in the reduction of hydrocarbon exhaust emissions during a cold start-up. This occurs when the start-up engine coolant temperature (ECT) is between 5-50°C (41-122°F), and the intake air temperature (IAT) is between 5-60°C (41-140°F). The AIR pump operates 5-60 seconds after start-up.

The control module activates the AIR system by simultaneously supplying grounds to the AIR pump and the AIR valve relays. This action closes the relays' internal contacts. The AIR pump and the AIR control solenoid valve/pressure sensor assembly are in turn energized, the pump runs and the control/shut-off valve opens.

The AIR pump sends pressurized fresh air into the pipes/hoses through the open control/shut-off valve, and into the exhaust manifold. The extra air accelerates the catalyst operation, helping it to reach operating temperature faster. The AIR pump remains ON for a short period of time after the control/shut-off valve is commanded OFF. When the AIR pump is commanded OFF it will not run or be activated until the next vehicle start. When the AIR system is inactive, the closed AIR control/shut-off valve prevents air/exhaust flow in either direction.

this is a few paragraphs explaining how wrong that last guy is

Thank you, but next time you don't have to close with a dick-head statement like that.

sorry delta guru, i just think that u should do alittle research b4 giving some info

you can hear it turn on and off on a cold start. if you warm your car up, shut it off, and re-start, the sai does not come on. and the extra air makes my exhaust sound like complete ass when it starts up cold.

i stand corrected

so is it comfirmed that you can effectively delete the SAI on SAI equipped cars with a reflash using the non SAI flash?

I spoke with mrgoodwrench about this. He has done it for over 2000 miles on his manual. he needed to do some research on the auto and has determined it can be done as well. The only issue is getting a dealer to do it for you. Being that I am close to him, I might make the journey up there for this, but if you work at a dealership or have a really good one that you have connections in, they might do it for you

I actually had a direct conversation with Tom at Crate Engine Depot and one of the techs that expects to come to the meet on July 7th. We plan on having a Tech 2 connected to GM Dealer World at the meet to see what exactly we can accomplish. I plan on reporting on it afterwards. Things we plan to check are:

SAI switchability
Tire size / speedo calibration adjustability
Gauge cluster swapping ability
speed limiter changes

There was one concern that the technician had concerning all of these issues. The VIN numbers. Since the VIN is stored in the ECM, GM Dealer World may not allow the ECM program to be changed because the changes asked for don't match the file information for that VIN. We'll see what happens.

Sounds good halfcent... def let us know what you find out. I really hope this all works out.

Wow, you're awesome man. Reps. I get the feeling that this is going to work out however as you said it may not be "legit."

Edit: "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Halfcent again." LOL