Badju587

It's a quarter because electrolysis produces Hydrogen ions (H+), and Oxygen molecules (O2). One mole of a gas is the same volume regardless of how many atoms are in the molecule (could be one, could be ten, etc...). Since there are twice as many Hydrogen atoms as Oxygen, and we have 4 H+ and one O2 per reaction, we get one quarter the Oxygen.

Any control present in that experiment? I noticed you have weight reduction in your sig, what kind? We need to know your baseline MPG under the same conditions so we can compare actual gains. My SS S/C pulls dang near 40 MPG at a constant 55 MPH with no wind, on a flat road for example, I'd have to go off that baseline instead of the 29 MPG EPA rating to know what I'm really gaining. The data's great, but we need that baseline so we know what we're looking at.

LaserblueSS

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pics / video NOW!!! i wanna see this for sure.

cakeeater

I could be proven wrong and this may work, i just don't see the numbers really creating that much of a difference, if any.

impulseballer

it's hilarious to see all the little scientists emerge lol....

bamaboy22

yes it is lol

bzzt

Ok, I made hydrogen in my garage just messing around. Here's a video:
http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...t=S4021647.flv
The first design hardly worked at all and consisted of stainless steel cable wrapped around a plastic tube with holes in it, that had another short piece of cable inside:

While I was looking for plastic zip ties at the store I picked up 2 stainless steel bathtub strainers at $1 each.
I attached them back to back with the zip ties and plastic spacers in between. Wires were twisted onto each strainer and viola! Another hydrogen generator.
This one produced MUCH more bubbling than the steel cable design and used a lot less metal. Ok, it's not installed in my car yet but it was fun just making bubbles!

GreenPurgatory

This is looking good guys. I am worried about going for it in my SS/SC, but I read that Ford has a hydrogen internal combustion engine that is supercharged.

CCBalla10

interesting... i could always use better gas mileage ... even though i already get about 40

lightinbalt

i thought there was going to be a how to and pics up today....?

trent_ky

hmm...as soon as someone tries this out on an lsj and determines that its not going to blow the engine up and that it actually works i WILL be doing this

Omega_5

If anyone whats to know why the fail boat tipped, it's because it was loaded with all the **** in this thread.
Massive fail.... massive.....

impulseballer

umm yeah .... you just sound like a massive tool right there lol

Omega_5

You sound like a lemming.

What do I know.... I was only in the alternative energy field for how many years.... I even got to do the HHO study at work, and disproved it....

But yeah... I'm a massive tool.

stangthang

I am leaning towards not believing this hydrogen idea..., but stranger things have come true....maybe you could share some of facts from the "work study" you did?? How did you disprove it actually??

This hydrogen idea will never fly, a tornado will never hit "your" house, and you will never have quadruplets born at the chances of one in 600,000........oh wait!!!!!

TVS_SS

The only people that believe this dont have any background in chemistry and engineering..

except for the first poster.. who must not be an A student

The problem is, enough of what he is saying could be true, but the details are what get you. You wont get enough energy out of it even if it does work. Have you researched hydrogen cars and their fuel system? (hint, look at the pressures and volumes they need to store hydrogen at just to get enough for a limited range...)

Hydrogen does work... but this isnt how to do it..


I'll sit back now and enjoy the show...

umrdyldo

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It seems to me it would run out really fast.

Maybe last long enough to drive to town and back but that's it.

Which in all honesty might be exactly what some people need.

Omega_5

I can't share exact details, as it's not public record yet... but it was pretty simple.
Run the vehicle on the water break on gasoline. Record fuel used, air flow, load, distance, time, etc.
Run the vehicle on an "HHO fuel cell" or whatever garbage name they give it now. Record the same thing.

Results?
Fuel used was exactly the same.

Multiple tests were done on different 3 vehicles.


But, I'm probably just wasting my time by posting this... the guys who believe in HHO, are the same guys who still believe in the tooth fairy, and used to swear buy Fitch fuel catalysts....

Indeed.... it works... but not on the fly like this gimmick claims to do....

For those who care... we used to store H2 at 5000psi, and inject it between 60 and 100 psi.
Anything below 15 psi, the engine would lean out and die.
Despite what people may hear... it takes a fair amount of H2 to fuel an engine.

Whitty

lets see some diagrams / pic i am really interested in this but not really willing to make my cobalt a guinea pig might try it on my buddies old jetta though if i can see some plans :P

Psykostevo

******* Bill Nye's.......go put on your goggles and stir your beakers.

bzzt

This one's interesting...
(Remember I said interesting, not smart)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0Rn76kS1E

Psykostevo

If you were holding your breath you might want to exhale. You don't look good in blue.

Whitty

*puts on science hat*

Actually with electrolysis like this you don't need to stir the beaker at all the gas is made by passing electricity through an anode and a cathode in the reactant ... lol J/K (well thats actually true but i'm just dickin around)

Badju587

That isn't the claim. No one ever claimed to be able to run the car wholesale off Hydrogen through electrolysis. The law of conservation of energy makes that impossible. Not to mention a normal gas engine would grenade from the heat.

The claim is that it will provide a small amount of Hydrogen, and somehow, by leaning out the air mix with this Hydrogen, trick the car into pulling fuel... which under normal circumstances only happens under a rich condition.

Too many inconsistencies so far for me to believe it. Leaning out the mix with Hydrogen, while at the same time introducing the Oxygen from the same electrolysis process... comes out as a wash once it goes boom. Since it's just recombining with the stuff it separated from, the sensors would be none the wiser.

stangthang

"Why would the water cost $1 a gallon? You can use tap water.

And the catalyst can vary. Some are more efficient than others, you can use baking soda, and some use some type of potassium or something. My friend bought 500grams of some catalyst for $30 after shipping. I don't know if that was a good deal or not, we will see."

I think my car guy buddies tried the first set up with tap water, baking soda, and a crappy generating cannister.....

They redesigned the cannister, making it larger with more plates, switched to some kind of salt catalyst they had to order in the mail, and started using distilled water....

Now, these two were never the overly intelligent type....far from it....used to make me chuckle....some of the stupid crap they came up with...but they both went to some automotive tech schhol out west....graduated.....they know more about cars than I do....

And I think the whole point of using the hydrogen generator is to MIX the hydrogen with the gasoline, not run soley on the hydrogen....kind of like squirting meth, propane, or "nawz"....ha ha

Not sure how that works when the two fuels are mixed....
I think it might be worth a try with the Cobalt SC,...can be tuned for it...but not on my car still under warranty...any volunteers????

impulseballer

*clapping* for the work....you still sounded like a tool lol