2.2L L61 Performance Tech 16 valve 145 hp EcoTec with 155 lb-ft of torque

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Old 10-27-2008, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Joeydabomb
I love how people on here think they know everything. Supertech's .547 lift is if they are installed at a NON stock height of 1.375, at stock height of 1.21" they can only handle .395 of lift. So I doubt you had a blank head with extra materal added to make up the difference. Here is a diagram of the supertech and some psi springs that I found to help explain it..




Now the supertech 76lb springs can handle up to .445 of lift at the stock ecotec spring height.
hi. let me put it to you like this.

the gm racing cams i had in the car were over .437 lift on the exhaust, and .441 on the intake not counting on rocker ratio being added into that.

8k rpms. zero valve float, or signs of a weak spring.

now, the 78lb kit is good to .547 lift, or 13.90mm of max net lift. 20.70mm coil bind.

the 76lb kit is good to .614 max net lift, however, the coil bind rate is much lower at 19.00mm.

the 94lb kit shares the same specs as the 78lb kit. only difference is the seat pressure.

my 78lb springs from supertech have been in my car for 20k+ miles with ZERO problems. if you want to start debating anything else. get some useful information to back up your claims.

p.s. stock LSJ cams have a max lift of .395.
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thanks for that bry
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Originally Posted by Area47
hi. let me put it to you like this.

the gm racing cams i had in the car were over .437 lift on the exhaust, and .441 on the intake not counting on rocker ratio being added into that.

8k rpms. zero valve float, or signs of a weak spring.

now, the 78lb kit is good to .547 lift, or 13.90mm of max net lift. 20.70mm coil bind.

the 76lb kit is good to .614 max net lift, however, the coil bind rate is much lower at 19.00mm.

the 94lb kit shares the same specs as the 78lb kit. only difference is the seat pressure.

my 78lb springs from supertech have been in my car for 20k+ miles with ZERO problems. if you want to start debating anything else. get some useful information to back up your claims.

p.s. stock LSJ cams have a max lift of .395.
He is using valve spring height that is pulled from the L61 build book where they use a sportsman head and lighter shorter valves.

The max lift published by Supertech is without the optional seat locators, the coil bind height is with them.

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Yup. Evo guys have problems with excessive valvetrain noise because they don't bleed there lifteres.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKX2pYVO0Ak Theres a video on how to do it on the 4G63.
Do not do this to the lash adjusters. You want to bleed air out of them, not in them.

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Old 10-27-2008, 08:40 PM
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well im good and so is mike with the lash adjusters then. and is friday a good day for you? it is for both of us. and what time do you prefer?
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I will probably be coming out with Witt, if that is okay.
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I will probably be coming out with Witt, if that is okay.
Sweet well have a meet. fixing two balts. you own a ss/sc too?
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yea thats perfectly fine. id be even more glad with both of you there.
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yea thats perfectly fine. id be even more glad with both of you there.
Yeah me too
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Originally Posted by WSFrazier
I will probably be coming out with Witt, if that is okay.
yess
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I use to have a SS/SC. Built the motor on it about year and half ago. Got rid of it last fall.
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dang now u got a ss/tc?
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Nah, nothing. Got rid of my car payment. Just driving teh beater.

Don't worry, I wrench plenty on Ecotecs.
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Thats cool. im just glad we got you guys coming over any helping out. i appreciate it man
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Originally Posted by WSFrazier
Nah, nothing. Got rid of my car payment. Just driving teh beater.

Don't worry, I wrench plenty on Ecotecs.
i know you and al do. i heard a bit about you two and good work. friday good for you guys? like after dinner? 5/6
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Originally Posted by o3nisoaso3
i know you and al do. i heard a bit about you two and good work. friday good for you guys? like after dinner? 5/6
That's completely up to Al, he has the more iffy schedule, and will be picking my ass up.
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lol ok well i can pick u up, i have a truck too. you live in forest hills?

well wait to see what he says. but saturday nite isnt really that good for me cuz my gf will be mad lol but if thats what it comes to then thats what will happen
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Typical tensionner problem noise

I guess it is either not depressed or damaged
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Yeah my motor is shaking like a mother F*#$&#$. Is that's be cause the timeing is off a little or something else?
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prob the timing and the tensioner. and the cams help that a lil with the idle so high right now
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Well did Vince get anywhere with our idling
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i pretty much think that he is gonna wait til after we get the motors in time and then we do some data logging then he will do the retunes cuz he does a lot now n then when its timed correctly it runs like **** then he will have to go back to square one where it mite have been right and go all over again... ya kno what i mean. go on aim
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so what happened with this?
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what do you mean what happened? im waiting to get the cams timed. i think its only like 2 teeth out

started up the car today and drove around easily for a little. as soon as i did a WOT pull and got to about 5 the car bucked n now its sputtering a lot. Spark plugs?

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Nick you couldn't wait till 2morrow couldn't you? pull them out and check them. See if your fried them
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Originally Posted by MP Cobalt
Nick you couldn't wait till 2morrow couldn't you? pull them out and check them. See if your fried them
i was running rich... low-mid 12s at WOT and i had KR like crazy. plus my IDC's were 76% at 6000rpm and around 90% at 7000 (not even redline) so i need a wire harness from the ss/sc to put in my bigger injectors

and with out timing being out, it may be building up excessive pressure and causing the knock retard so once its timed we may have the KR fixed (unless its the noisy valvetrain). is yours still making noises?

i managed to chirp 3rd still with all the KR i got lol

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