A Thread With No Bs To Clear Things Up
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A Thread With No Bs To Clear Things Up
On another post i just read about how a 2.4 is predicted to run about 15.7. So how is this roccity is running 15.6 with his 2.2? This would mean that both cars are comperable in performance....Now i want strictly facts on this post matching up the best of both...
2.2 5 speed base vs 2.4l 5 speed
I have driven both the ss/sc and base balt so i think we should clear this up
2.2 5 speed base vs 2.4l 5 speed
I have driven both the ss/sc and base balt so i think we should clear this up
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you'r looking at it wrong... you're looking at the best time we have recorded for a base, vs mediocre-bad times for the ss...
it's the same for the 2.4 and 2.0
a really good driver with a 2.4 can probably do just about as good as a really shitty driver with a 2.0
it's the same for the 2.4 and 2.0
a really good driver with a 2.4 can probably do just about as good as a really shitty driver with a 2.0
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You have to understand that track times depend on alot...not as much as power but more so on driving skill, tires, suspension, weight, air temperature, humidity, elevation etc.
Someone who might live in Colorado who lives in a higher elevation might run a 16.2 and someone who lives in NY runs mid 15s on the same exact car in stock form. You can't compare one car to another car.
Also, bad launches will cause a decrease in track times. You can have a supposidley 14 second car but only run 16s if you can't drive or launch correctly.
Basically, too many variables.
Someone who might live in Colorado who lives in a higher elevation might run a 16.2 and someone who lives in NY runs mid 15s on the same exact car in stock form. You can't compare one car to another car.
Also, bad launches will cause a decrease in track times. You can have a supposidley 14 second car but only run 16s if you can't drive or launch correctly.
Basically, too many variables.
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
you'r looking at it wrong... you're looking at the best time we have recorded for a base, vs mediocre-bad times for the ss...
it's the same for the 2.4 and 2.0
a really good driver with a 2.4 can probably do just about as good as a really shitty driver with a 2.0
it's the same for the 2.4 and 2.0
a really good driver with a 2.4 can probably do just about as good as a really shitty driver with a 2.0
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Originally Posted by bluechevyss05
ok so perfectly driven 2.2 stick vs perfectly driven 2.4 stick in new york
It's not just driving skills. It could be 98 degrees out and they run 15.9 or it could be 75 degrees out and run 15.5.
Basically, no one can give you a defenite answer.
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Take it for what its worth, but this should sort of help distinguish the difference between the two.
http://www.rpmoutlet.com/dyno.htm
Basically, you plug in the weight of the vehicle, plus the power it puts TO THE GROUND.
I havent seen many 2.4 dynos, but I know a few 2.2s actually dyno very close to their rated hp.
Either way, it can still come down to how well the car is driven.
http://www.rpmoutlet.com/dyno.htm
Basically, you plug in the weight of the vehicle, plus the power it puts TO THE GROUND.
I havent seen many 2.4 dynos, but I know a few 2.2s actually dyno very close to their rated hp.
Either way, it can still come down to how well the car is driven.
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Originally Posted by bluechevyss05
same temp too then lol
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Originally Posted by NJHK
You're stilllll missing the point. No one can tell you whether or not one car will be faster than the other. It's circumstantial....not factual info you're looking for.
that's not true in this situation though... he said the same driver, same track, same temperature, same everything.. the only thing that's different is the car...
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
that's not true in this situation though... he said the same driver, same track, same temperature, same everything.. the only thing that's different is the car...
I'm sorry if I sound like a pain but I like to keep more realistic rather than "hypothetical".
If you want a hypothetical answer: The 2.4 has more power than the 2.2, it should be faster in the 1/4 mile
Realistic Answer: The 2.4 answer has more power, it should be faster in the 1/4 mile BUT there are too many variables to say what will happen.
If an SRT-4 can run 16s, a 2.2 can run a better 1/4 mile than a 2.4.
People need to realize that just because someone has a better 1/4 mile doesn't mean they are faster. Why? Cause it's circumsantial.
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My gosh people; let's ask it like this.
What are the best known 1/4 times for the 2.2L and 2.4L. Thrw everything else out the freakin' window and tell us what the best known times are for each. What could they be capable of??
What are the best known 1/4 times for the 2.2L and 2.4L. Thrw everything else out the freakin' window and tell us what the best known times are for each. What could they be capable of??
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I love you NJHK...you always have the answer...but you still can't have my bud light...I agree, too many variables to actually tell...each car will also drive differently, I am pretty sure it is easier to launch a 2.2 or 2.4 than a 2.0, strictly due to power differences, and all 3 engines have different power bands, even with the same driver making 2 passes down the same track in a matter of minutes in the 2 different cars, he may be better suited to one or the other's power band or clutch or whatever! Anything requiring human interaction cannot come out exactly the same twice, well it can but the % factor is VERY low...or your just a pro and mad props to you for putting in that kind of practice time...
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Originally Posted by 05YELLOWSS
I love you NJHK...you always have the answer...but you still can't have my bud light...I agree, too many variables to actually tell...each car will also drive differently, I am pretty sure it is easier to launch a 2.2 or 2.4 than a 2.0, strictly due to power differences, and all 3 engines have different power bands, even with the same driver making 2 passes down the same track in a matter of minutes in the 2 different cars, he may be better suited to one or the other's power band or clutch or whatever! Anything requiring human interaction cannot come out exactly the same twice, well it can but the % factor is VERY low...or your just a pro and mad props to you for putting in that kind of practice time...
And I agree
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well my best time for my 2.2 is a 15.8 and i think i can still get a better launch that was with a weapon r intake btw im not sire the elivation of the track i run at or any other stats for the day but on a good day i dont see why a 2.2 couldnt run a 15.6 albiet in perfect condiotions
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Originally Posted by bluechevyss05
yea maybe your right...has anyone even seen the slip for the 2.2 going 15.6?
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like it was said above that 15.7 is for an auto 2.4 and still slow for it. The 2.2's 15.6 is a manual and a very good time for it. On the average you will see the 2.4's being about .5 faster.
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Originally Posted by NJHK
Ok but if someone answers his question and then in reality it doesn't happen that way, what does it help then?
I'm sorry if I sound like a pain but I like to keep more realistic rather than "hypothetical".
If you want a hypothetical answer: The 2.4 has more power than the 2.2, it should be faster in the 1/4 mile
Realistic Answer: The 2.4 answer has more power, it should be faster in the 1/4 mile BUT there are too many variables to say what will happen.
If an SRT-4 can run 16s, a 2.2 can run a better 1/4 mile than a 2.4.
People need to realize that just because someone has a better 1/4 mile doesn't mean they are faster. Why? Cause it's circumsantial.
I'm sorry if I sound like a pain but I like to keep more realistic rather than "hypothetical".
If you want a hypothetical answer: The 2.4 has more power than the 2.2, it should be faster in the 1/4 mile
Realistic Answer: The 2.4 answer has more power, it should be faster in the 1/4 mile BUT there are too many variables to say what will happen.
If an SRT-4 can run 16s, a 2.2 can run a better 1/4 mile than a 2.4.
People need to realize that just because someone has a better 1/4 mile doesn't mean they are faster. Why? Cause it's circumsantial.
ok... so what is wrong with my statement then... the 2.4 should be about a half second quicker in the 1/4 over the 2.2 with the same conditions, and same level of skill driver... we're not talking about a "fluke", like someone didn't shift gears properly, or spun off the line too much, we're talking about ideal conditions... what other factors are there? we already specified that the conditions are the same