Joeyeljefe

ok look i was just giving him ideas then i said one thing about lower compression... which if you know what your doing you can make it work. but this is getting retarded. i suggested it but i also ******* suggested raising his compression yes it would be a lot better for his ******* application. i just dont rlly get why ppl want to invest so much money in a 2.2liter 4 cylinder. your gonna spend about 3 grand and only get out with mid 200 horsepower its not worth it. i tried to explain my theory to one person and everyone jumps on my case. im about to start working on a 76 camaro 350- makeing it a 383 and twin turbo.. lowering compression in a 8 cylinder makes more sense than on a 4... but it can work so how bout we all agree on this **** got way blown out of proportion

INDColtsFan18

I agree, just turbo it and call it a day. F/I is more fun anyways.

BLAZIN07SS

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your theory just doesn't make sense. and i can see why you are lowering the compression in the 383 because you are boosting it. the reason you lower compression in high boosted applications is because the boost pressure is forcing so much air into the cylinder and the air has no where to go with that much compression, which in turn is why the rods always bend/break and give out.

Joeyeljefe

i said lower compressions and stuff more air in.... as forced induction im talking about a **** load of air though..... stroke the **** thats my theory. yaya i know no steel pistons somone said something about it i got confused sry. damn yall are all so ******* sensitive ****. ya and if you can get forged cheap do it i didnt say anything about slaping either.

Witt

The OP stated it was an NA build.

You are the one using foul language to try to get your point across but I'm the one thats sensitive?

Joeyeljefe

sry for foul language... kinda dont really notice it. im one of those ppl who use it alot.. and ok i mis-read i thought this was a diffrent thread about somone saying they wanted to get a turbo kit for there 2.2. SORRY EVERYONE ****....... hah. but to the op might as well just get a turbo kit... that twin turbo kit pretty ******* insain.... about the only way you can rlly get any power from a 4 cylinder

then i guess ill need forged then haha.

Witt

I agree.

The only case where I can see building an NA 4 banger (higher dome pistons and high overlap, long duration cams) is to run nitrous as an adder.

campo165

its so funny to read posts now that since most of the actually knowledgeable people have left the site.

Witt

Who left that successfully builds bottom ends?

Maven

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Sure you can, it would be all over.....good night engine.

Compression itself has nothing to do wityh torque. torque is a function of cylinder combustion pressure. Yeah you should just call up a manufacturer, thats what everybody else who wants custom pistons does. Expect to payabout $170 a piece for forged pistons with rings and pins. You cant make a statement like 200hp engines dont need forged pistons, 200hp by itself gives us no idea of the kind of forces the pistons are dealing with and therefore how strong theyd need to be

BTC? Its B D C and you didnt mention and no one else mentioned TDC either. Forged is more expensive in your mind, thats correct. Its in in your mind. Steel? WTF? If forged pistons pistons broke the same as cast pistons why would everyone, and I mean EVERYONE making truly big power be using them? is it a scam from the aftermarket?

Stroke that ****, thats your theory? Just a few posts ago you said that you would "need to make a shorter stroke for this to work". Which is it? stroke it or detroke it? Why would EITHER be required for lower compression and forced induction, or higher compression and NA for that matter?


You go to school everyday??? You need to pay more attention chief.

JapEatr

iTrader: (9)

After reading this whole thread i believe he thought top end meant TDC instead of top end meaning cylinder head and then he jumped off the handle on Witt and maven straightened his ass out

if your still in school learning, please dont discredit those that have been in the industry for many years...Witt(been around), Maven(gm tech), myself(former Lead tech, currently a emissions controls engineer for combustion systems)

I read all these posts that get heated and laugh, look at some of these guys join dates, ive been around since day one and joined when i bought my car... expirience with these engines, that matters...hence why some of the more expirienced members try to help, much to the upset of newer, younger members

StrongIslandBalter

wow iam sorry for starting an argument i just wanted to ask a question i guess that im impulsive so i rather buy parts for like 600-700 at a time instead of going 3500 for a turbo but if i turbo it its gonna make it a non daily driver right? it will kill the engine faster

Acey

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It is very possible to have a turbo daily driver build.

Maven

iTrader: (1)

You didn start an argument. You asked a pefrectly legitimate question and two things happened 1:ignorance was expressed. and 2. the bias towards forced induction on this site kicked in and attempted to belittle wanting or needing to run naturally aspirated. I dont think Ive seen too many threads involving NA power questions that dont get at least one "get blown" type response. If you want to run NA, go for it, theres enough guys on this site that would be more than happy to answer any queries youve got or give a hand in any way they can, just be prepared for the barrage of "your wasting your time/money" posts and youll be fine........Individuality is great, isnt it awesome that we can all do exactly what we want and not get flamed for it, well unless your individual tastes are different than the tastes of 3/4's of this site members who are all so individual that they all do the same **** and perform the same mods, to the point that they are no longer being unique, they are just a big mob yelling "thats not how you do it, be unique, LIKE US"

Theres a Scion commerical that reminds me so much of this and actually points it out, its a whole shitload of "unique" Scions rolling through the desert to hang out, they all have wheels and body kits and gawdy graphics, an emcee gets on the mic and says something like "it is that which makes us different that brings us together" I laugh everytime I see it, we are all so different that we are now one big group thats all the same.

Gestapo007

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I dont know all that much but all that sounds way more time consuming then just adding a supercharger. You guys know way way more about engines so it may not be hard to install forged pistons and whatnot for you lol. But for me, forget about it.