2.2L L61 Performance Tech 16 valve 145 hp EcoTec with 155 lb-ft of torque

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Old 01-07-2009, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tank07
your right when it comes to that there will always be a better car with a bigger price tag....and a turbo setup would not be killer..........but why not get a car that is already turboed and make it better

i mean these are all options
Having a SS/TC would definitely be a great platform to work off of, but I for one have a lot of tickets and having insurance on one would be killer. Not to mention I would lose so much money on my trade it. It's much more sensible to just keep what I have and do what I can.

I mean, it's not a bad car really. Never once have I ever been embarassed to be in a balt.
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everybodies entitled to their opinion ) I had my 89 caprice with a 305 with only 70k on it but didnt feel like puttin money into a car that old
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Originally Posted by philupondes
whatever guys! you put money in cobalts and I put money in big blocks whats the diff.? O yea power, I'm sorry for knocking you guys and the whole 2.2 build, hell I drive a 2.2 but I say why put money into something you drive everyday, save the money and build something faster.
because id rather be different than be like every other tuner on the road?
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because id rather be different than be like every other tuner on the road?
that and it's funny when a measly 4cyl can still run on a v8 lol
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Originally Posted by philupondes
I've got a v8 that you couldn't sake a stick at!
hmm what does it make for power i could still try at a 50 roll?
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Originally Posted by philupondes

I've got a v8 that you couldn't sake a stick at!

ok now there is a real power plant, but wait I 4got I'm new at this man I'm worng aging a bet your cobalt's got me right. But like you said I'm must be new at this lol!
if i understand you butchering of the english language i'm guessing you're saying that i couldn't take that.. and without knowing how much power it's putting down and the weight i couldn't well you one way or the other..
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hey phil, this thread was made for numbers about a future set up I had in mind. Nobody is trying to argue with you over the fact that V8's are better then 4 cylinders. It's all a matter of personal prefrence. Obviously this isn't the most suitable place to preach about small or big blocks and such. That would be more suited for a forum that discusses V8's. But to add on keep in mind you have all that power but how much weight are you lugging. I know my cobalt is i think 2800 lbs somewhere around and it has a little bit faster 1/4 mile then my 89 caprice. (yeah 305 isnt that big but still the cars weight was 3750 lbs lol)
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Don't get me wrong Iam impressed...but your knocking people with cobalts ,kind of..yet this site is dedicated to them and other vechiles with the ecotec engine. Plus some of us when workin with what we have...can not afford to buy another car to fix it up..BTW like the blower )
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Originally Posted by philupondes
^ what? are you 4real man, I dont know what to say anymore, you guys cant be 4real. who cares how much it weights or how much power it makes, theres not one cobalt on here that could come close. and its heavy as hell if you really need to know and the power well I gues you will just have to find that out the hard way. and to the 50 roll ummm dont think so guy this thing does not shift in to 2nd tell 50mph hahaha lol you guys kill me, OO yea and its got a catback too

but this is not what I got on here for so just leave it alone. The only point I was trying to get at here is that in my opinion I cant see why ppl put alot of money in to an everyday driver, thats all man so just chill out alil

and just for the record it pushed out 841hp (motor dyno) with no power adders, well other then the 112 octane. and weighted in a little over 3300 lbs

^ well if you want to know the numbers then there are many many threads out there that have asked the same thing so just do a little researching. and you should find your answer, and good luck with your build
ok ... one learn english.. two.. take mommy and daddy's car out of this thread... three whats it run on 93 octane? and two is it even street legal... if not then who cares we're not talking about drag cars.. we're talking about DD street cars

i'm not sure why you had to bring the v8 argument in here anyway
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ur the one killing the thread and its people like you have to voice your opinion and kill this site...
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yo ill..is it ossible to have the 2.2s tuned to use 93 octane and like is it worth it?
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ill shake you hand ) (wow that was gay lol)
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Originally Posted by Sentry
Having a SS/TC would definitely be a great platform to work off of, but I for one have a lot of tickets and having insurance on one would be killer. Not to mention I would lose so much money on my trade it. It's much more sensible to just keep what I have and do what I can.

I mean, it's not a bad car really. Never once have I ever been embarassed to be in a balt.
well you live in NY insurance is ridiculous no matter what.........and i have never been embarassed in my balt ever.......i mean i love the car i have a very special bond with that car....its my first car that i bought myself its all mine not something mommy and daddy handed me and im proud of it so ya i mean who cares how much money we all throw at are cars as long as we enjoy it and dont rice them out

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ur the one killing the thread and its people like you have to voice your opinion and kill this site...
true......plus drag cars.......wtf is the point "ooo i go fast" you may as well set your paycheck on fire

Originally Posted by StrongIslandBalter
yo ill..is it ossible to have the 2.2s tuned to use 93 octane and like is it worth it?
yes if you put it in your car right now u will feel a bit of a difference w/o a tune and w/o any mods

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you guys are taking me all worng.

why you have to go and talk **** man, I never one time said anything bad about any of you or cobalts or whatever, just cuz I said one thing you didnt like does not mean you have to get all worked up I thought this place was here to talk about our cars and what we think so thats what I done. sorry if you didnt like it no harm intented
Old 01-08-2009, 12:39 AM
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yeah tank this is the first car that i bought by myself not bad for a couple of 18 year olds and as for the 93 octane tune is that safe for the engine or will it harm it in anyway?
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No more stupid arguing guys. I'll just go ahead and end this discussion right here.

NA Stock V8 > NA Stock 4 banger.
FI 4 banger >= NA V8
FI V8 = ownage of pretty much everything.

Everyone happy?
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you have me satisfied but would make me happy if you would share your knowledge on if its a good idea to tune a car to accept 93 octane, will their be a ping? will the car function better? Are their any real gains? answer those and I can go to sleep happy lol
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Originally Posted by StrongIslandBalter
you have me satisfied but would make me happy if you would share your knowledge on if its a good idea to tune a car to accept 93 octane, will their be a ping? will the car function better? Are their any real gains? answer those and I can go to sleep happy lol
Yeah sure you can tune it for 93, but don't do it until you got some more bolt ons, or it's just gonna be a waste.

Tune is usually the last thing you do.
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so do everything to the engine, then tune...then nitrous or would i need to update the tune to run it?
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Originally Posted by Sentry
Yeah, leave out the internals. Just do a 75 shot with the bolt ons, and a tune.

You GOTTA get a transmission tune on these automatics, else you'll be running 15's.
I ran 14.6 with a stock pcm calibration and an 85 wet shot

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I thought If I ran juice I had to beef out the internals ?
Negative.
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Originally Posted by StrongIslandBalter
so do everything to the engine, then tune...then nitrous or would i need to update the tune to run it?
Tune is always the last step. Get everything you want put on, including the nitrous, and then a tune for the n20/93.
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yes if you put it in your car right now u will feel a bit of a difference w/o a tune and w/o any mods
you will never get any performance gains simply from switching to a higher octane, unless you were running too low of an octane before. Octane is nothing more than a fuel's resistance to detonation. runnin 93 octane in a stock 2.2 cobalt will NOT improve the power. it will however lower your mpg's, and lighten your wallet.

in other words, it's completely pointless to put 93 in your stock 2.2, or even your bolted 2.2. only time to go up in octane is if you're getting knock, or are adding f/i or nitrous and upping the timing.
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
you will never get any performance gains simply from switching to a higher octane, unless you were running too low of an octane before. Octane is nothing more than a fuel's resistance to detonation. runnin 93 octane in a stock 2.2 cobalt will NOT improve the power. it will however lower your mpg's, and lighten your wallet.

in other words, it's completely pointless to put 93 in your stock 2.2, or even your bolted 2.2. only time to go up in octane is if you're getting knock, or are adding f/i or nitrous and upping the timing.
this is correct. if anything, the resistance to combustion will retard peak pressures by a couple degrees, which is what you do when you retard ignition timing. Basically, youll lose HP
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but to use nitrous.. you need 93 octane or leave it at 87?
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93 or better is a must for nitrous oxide. you need all the detonation resistance you can get.


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