2.4L Intake Manifold In Development
05-27-2008 | 08:47 PM
#151
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Yes, we've simply arrived at the conclusion that a design suiting the stock TB location is not a good business model, especially at the proposed pricing range...the tooling costs aren't borne out by the sales volume potential. It's a much more complex proposition. Still may happen, but the short-term is a no-go.
Were we to offer a 2.2- and 2.4-specific version of our existing model, the scales of economy were much more suitable...at the end of the day, we still have to make a living, and there's no shortage of projects clamoring for development funds.
Nonetheless, we have enterprising customers who've decided to use our existing design anyway on 2.2 and 2.4.
Perhaps in the future, conditions regarding this will change and a stock location unit will emerge. For now, the people spoke, and BOY...are we glad we asked
Were we to offer a 2.2- and 2.4-specific version of our existing model, the scales of economy were much more suitable...at the end of the day, we still have to make a living, and there's no shortage of projects clamoring for development funds.
Nonetheless, we have enterprising customers who've decided to use our existing design anyway on 2.2 and 2.4.Perhaps in the future, conditions regarding this will change and a stock location unit will emerge. For now, the people spoke, and BOY...are we glad we asked
05-27-2008 | 09:18 PM
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However, if one has yet to purchase an air intake, then it hardly matters which one they get...an SC one or a 2.2/2.4 one. The rest is the cost of a WW bottle and a roll of wire, plus a few hours spent wiring.
05-27-2008 | 09:45 PM
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You'd be looking at custom...or adapting an SC-type one, in addition to going to an SC-type windshield washer bottle (passenger side). This, in addition to extending wiring for MAF and TBody, is the set of tasks that leads folks to want the TB in the original position. Hard to argue with that logic...it sure would simplify things!
However, if one has yet to purchase an air intake, then it hardly matters which one they get...an SC one or a 2.2/2.4 one. The rest is the cost of a WW bottle and a roll of wire, plus a few hours spent wiring.
However, if one has yet to purchase an air intake, then it hardly matters which one they get...an SC one or a 2.2/2.4 one. The rest is the cost of a WW bottle and a roll of wire, plus a few hours spent wiring.
05-27-2008 | 10:03 PM
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hmm well the one that is listed on your website says it is compatible with all ecotec model lines. is there another one that im missing. i have no problem doing the work. i have an entire shop at my disposal as i work at a dealership. i am just trying to get info and weigh my pros and cons of a new intake manifold
It's not unlike buying an intake manifold for a Small Block Chevy V8. One unit fits many years, cars, and engines, but it's not a 100% solution...one has to fill in the gaps on some applications that vary in terms of sensors, brackets, hookups, etc.
Our one exception is the 2.0 SC, where we engineered it to be a complete replacement solution. 2.2 and 2.4 are 'user completion' applications.
05-27-2008 | 11:34 PM
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Sure! You'd want to get a close look at underhood clearances to make sure it would all fit, but functionally, it's a go.
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05-27-2008 | 11:41 PM
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k thanks eco i think thats all of my questions at the moment. just need to save up some money. oh by the way on the streetrace manifold if i were to get it without the fuel rail on it. would those holes be sealed to offer a sealed unit or plugged in case at a later date i want to do nitrous or what not?
05-28-2008 | 01:04 AM
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k thanks eco i think thats all of my questions at the moment. just need to save up some money. oh by the way on the streetrace manifold if i were to get it without the fuel rail on it. would those holes be sealed to offer a sealed unit or plugged in case at a later date i want to do nitrous or what not?
However, we have considered offering an option to add bungs that would mount four nitrous oxide fogger nozzles. They would mount under the manifold runners, as there's a lot of room under there. Sounds like fun!
hmmm would you guys think about starting to sell a return fuel setup for the 2.4 with a manifold? maybe as a boost accessories package ?
05-28-2008 | 01:28 AM
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(but wait a while, these new SS TurboSystems are keeping us rather busy at the moment!)
05-28-2008 | 09:05 AM
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the manifold they have now would work with the turbo kit, maybe a little bit different tubing but it will work. the turbo kit has you redo all the wires/move the TB anyways as would the new intake manifold which most 2.4L guys don't want.
05-28-2008 | 10:16 AM
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In this photo, it is shown with the available PortFueler option. More info can be had at this link:
StreetRace Sheetmetal Intake Manifold
Actually, the turbosystem requires one to extend the MAF wiring, but not the TB wiring...it stays in the stock position.
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05-28-2008 | 10:26 AM
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With your experience on the ecotec do you believe this manifold can be suitable for a NA 2.4? Also you said you guys have considerd putting in ports for a direct port nitrous set-up. Anyway on this becoming a reality as that would make this piece more desirable.
05-28-2008 | 10:30 AM
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It's a reality now, for what it's worth...it will fit 2.4 engines the way it is. If you scan back in this thread, you can see information on how to make it happen.
05-28-2008 | 10:53 AM
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sorry i knew it was one of those. but could you all tool the manifold you have not to be a better fit to you block of the 2.4L? since i haven't bought an intake yet and i am thinking of staying NA. If you all could make that intake match perfectly i guess that would be ok. also would i have to move anything but the MAF sensor? and the TB would just get moved, no wire changing?
05-28-2008 | 11:17 AM
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sorry i knew it was one of those. but could you all tool the manifold you have not to be a better fit to you block of the 2.4L? since i haven't bought an intake yet and i am thinking of staying NA. If you all could make that intake match perfectly i guess that would be ok. also would i have to move anything but the MAF sensor? and the TB would just get moved, no wire changing?
Can't say for sure on the TB wiring...the different TB location may requre lengthening the wires.
05-28-2008 | 12:10 PM
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05-28-2008 | 12:36 PM
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ok cool thanks, i am still on the road, as of now, leading to cam and stage two heads. do you think you all could make some other parts for the 2.4? nothing really in mind but more 2.4L stuff in general. maybe a NA package that equals the turbos cost etc. etc.
05-28-2008 | 08:11 PM
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well since this is the only one in production at the moment, im just gonna get one that closely fits to it as i know there are a few aftermarket manifolds for the cavaliers and modify it as needed to fit mine. well atleast try to lol.
05-29-2008 | 01:48 PM
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You'll find that we specialize in turbocharging and related technologies. We prefer not to get spread too thin, you know the old saying...'Jack of all trades, master of none.' We prefer to be Master of ONE!
05-30-2008 | 01:02 AM
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Sure, it would be effective on NA. The shorter, more direct runners and less turbulent plenum would enhance top end airflow considerably, especially on an engine with cams/headwork.
It's a reality now, for what it's worth...it will fit 2.4 engines the way it is. If you scan back in this thread, you can see information on how to make it happen.
It's a reality now, for what it's worth...it will fit 2.4 engines the way it is. If you scan back in this thread, you can see information on how to make it happen.
And as far as being a reality i was more concerned about the n2o ports being offered with the manifold.