when I had my 2.4 I thought 200HP NA would be cool, but its just too damned hard and expensive, you'll spend LESS.. yes LESS slapping an M62 on there and you'll make a helluva lot more than 200.

 

^This. ZZP SC kit will be in my future. I'm 2.4 as well and you can see my mods list below, I dynoed 171 at the wheels.

 

Meh if im going boost. Im not gonna settle for a mear 250whp.
If im going boost. Im only gonna throw something on that will
Net me 400whp. Im not gonna toy around with no little 250whp m62.
200whp on the auto 2.4 shouldnt be this hard. I'll figure it out eventually.
Money is slow. But no object. If it takes as much or more to m62 my to get
200whp N/A, so be it. A) its my money, not yours B) that is that many extra
mods that will help me when im boosted (race style intake mani can be used in turbo
Setup, the lsx throttle can be, 3" dp should be, 3" cat back can be, ported head and cams
Can be, bigger injectors/fuel pump can be) the only rhing I cannot use would be the shorty
header and maybe the intake as far as I know. And on top of all that its im doind something
No one as far as I know has done yet to an ATOMATIC. Its all personal preference guys. Im
Really tired of asking a straight threw question. And ppl just saying not to do. Dont waste your money.
Like why do you guys care how I spent my money...it doesn't effect you in the slightest. Im not looking
For people to tell me just to boost it and get more than 200whp....thats not the point...anyone can get 250whp
With an m62.....I wanna be the guy who made 200whp. Without nitrous, just all N/A. So if you dont have any help,
Or a suggestion on how to gwt 200 to the wheels STRICTLY N/A. I dont really necessarily need your opinion on boost
Or how to spend my money. But what can I do this is the Internet. BUT ANYONE WITH SOME REAL ADVICE ON THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF THE THREAD, INPUT WOULD BE AWSOME. NEXT PAYCHECK WILL BE PROBABLY HEADER AMD DOWNPIPE AS I SAVE FOR FULL EXHAUST AND THE PORTED head

 

You posted and people are just being honest.

 

Fail opinion based comments coming regardless!!!

Problem is the loss of power from the automatic, I dont know numbers for numbers but when someone works hard to make 200hp with a 5 spd Id expect the same setup to run maybe 20hp less with an auto?? Maybe more?

 

Well...I'm pretty sure you can't use the 3inch downpipe with a turbo setup. And I believe the cams are different also...obviously the intake is different also. Not sure about the intake mani cuz I haven't looked I to turbo at all

Yep auto sucks. With the mods I have I'd expect 250-260 whp

 

Sorry to say but getting 400whp out of a 2.4 is going to be a bunch of heartache for you. The LE5 isn't meant to handle that much HP, neither is your transmission.

 

Auto tranny is gonna suck the fun right out of your N/A setup. 200whp with F23 > 200whp 4t45e

And 400whp through a 4t45e is going to be fun...for a very short while

 

Yep, its your money, if you have enough-anything is possible.

 

I have ZZP's fully built auto. Good for 500+ im not worried about the trans. And keep the opinions coming. I just wish someone could give me a straight answer as to if with the added things to the list would net me 200whp numbers im trying to get. Instead of telling people just to not do it. Can someone enlighten me on with the mods posted I would reach 200whp? And if not what would need to be added to the list to get me there (besides boost). Amd to say you cannot get a LE5 to 400whp. Zzp has a turbo'd stock LE5 on e85 WITH A 4T45E.....at 401whp...so LE5's cant get up to 400whp? The trans wont hold up? I beg to differ

 

DAFUQ? I have 10k invested in ZZP, when and where is this magical fully built auto tranny that will take 400whp? Strange since TundraBoarder had many a talk with ZZP and they wouldn't promise **** past 350. In fact they specifically advised against aiming for 400+, and Tundraboarder killed a 4t45e that was fully built by IPT with the promise of 400+ whp.

 

They don't give any specific number (at least from me skimming the page that I saw) but this is the upgraded ZZP auto.
ZZPerformance - 4T45E Transmission #ZZ-4T45ETRANS

Edit-
Crap I didn't read your post at all, sorry.

 

ZZPs solution for TundraBoarder? Nearly $15k on a fully built 4t65HD cobalt swap.

ouch. an F23 can run 500whp and survive with proper clutch and some prep. A 4t45e can run 300ish and survive but more than that and it gets dicey. 500+? Bull. *******. ****.

Some new guy here has 4t65 internals stuffed into a 4t45 case, a one off contraption but good luck if it needs work. I can't find a GM tech in this town who has changed an ecotec head gasket, try running a hybrid tranny across them lol.

Nice thing about the interwebs, pull numbers out the **** and try and pass them off as fact. Show proof of ANYONE running 400+ through a 4t45e and I'll shut my yap.

 

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lol. that "new guy" has been here longer than you. and considering he installed it, fabbed up the car, tuned it, and did everything himself. i don't think he's gonna need luck if something goes wrong.

why don't you cool it with the language and the attitude.. i already edited one of your posts.



chevyboi the only way to find out if those things will get you to 200 is to just do it. stick with a 2.5" exhaust though. perhaps running the saab intake manifold with a 2.4tb will net better numbers than your "race manifold" that may or may not flow.

also referencing zzps 2.4, you said it yourself "Amd to say you cannot get a LE5 to 400whp. Zzp has a turbo'd stock LE5 on e85 WITH A 4T45E.....at 401whp...so LE5's cant get up to 400whp? The trans wont hold up? I beg to differ"

it TOOK them boost to hit 400. AND e85, not just pump gas. and the trans going is what held it back at the track. don't get the impression that everything was just dandy. not taking anything from zzp but that car has some things to work out and keep in mind those numbers were on e85 not regular 91 or 93.

btw the cams you will be using for this n/a build should not be used when you go for boost. completely different between the two setups.

 

Is it just me or does this boi go from terrible grammar to perfect English in this post... two different people is my guess.


"Oh man I'm getting owned, here you type and back me up"

 

Sorry. I was in a hurry on my phone before work ranting man...i have the biggest phone on the market and yet its still hard to type on it lol. And yes im aware EXsoccer1921 that they are running boost. I posted up when the guys were saying to go boost. That when I do im going for 400whp. Not the lousy 250whp or whatever, that the m62 can get these things. But as a personal goal, I want to achieve 200 at the wheels before I go boost. Idk its just something I have/wanna do before I go and get into boost...thats all. And whats the point of using a 2.4tb when I already have one? Isnt the more air you can take in, the more fuel you add, and the quicker you can get rid of the exhaust the key to making the power? So wouldnt more air in (bigger intake piping, bigger tb) allow more air in, (needing more fuel obviously) making more combustion = more hp numbers? That is just my understanding. And I was almost certain ZZP told me I could use their cams N/A or boosted (at least supercharged) if I remember correctly. Could of had that confused with something else tho...on the exhaust side of rhings..I just dont see the point of running a header with a 3" collector down to a 2.5" downpipe and cat back either. I know 2.5 is everything and more an N/A car would ever need. But I also believe that your intake amd exhaust is only as good as its weakest link. Why have a section thats 3" and then go down to 2.5? Especially since after I get to 200whp (or as close to it as I can) I will be saving for turbo parts. Which will need 3" pieces

 

And by "race manifold" (idk what else to call them) I mean like TTR or HAHN sell.
Over in 2.2 forums, TTR says gains of 15-20HP can be gained with all other bolt ons,
And a tune N/A. On turbo applications that same manifold can see up to 50HP gains.
The 50hp gain was proven on a dyno. So if I can get even 15 just using the mani.
Im that much closer to 200 from 180-185ish. So with just that, add in whatever cams
amd that ported head will give me, cross fingers and hope for 200

 

Hasnt anyone ever told you function > form?

 

There is function to it! Stock bulb burned out so now its time for new bulbs. (Only in the form of HID)
our foglights suck. So HID upgrade will most certainly take care of that haha. Suspension was leaking/blown and im already sitting low because of it. So I just went to upgrade that as well. Have over kill engineering end links on order. Got moog sway bushings, moog tie rods ends, and the zzp tubular control arms. I wanna do sway bars too. But wanna do some engine stuff first. When you have broken things on your car that need replacing, I would more or less day that is function over form, as the old parts do not function

 

You keep putting down 250 whp, but you are concerened what it will take to make 200 whp???

If you want more power in the future you should hold off until you can do that....

Most of the parts you put on the car for 200 whp N/A wont work on a turbo swap, so why waste the time and money. I think this is what most people are trying to get through to you.

Now if you were set on 200 whp N/A only then I say go for it, but you will more than likely need full bolt ons, cams, & a good tune.

 

...and a happy dyno

 

Since he is auto.... yes def.

 

I hate to be the ******* that says this but wouldn't you just save more money and get more power by trading in your car for an SC?

 

Then I could not have a 200whp N/A automatic 2.4 then...

 

The fact that the one guy said that most of these parts you want for your NA build won't work with a boosted application. The manifold, throttle body, intake, exhaust, injectors, none of it would work. Maybe the cams.