the 2.4 tb is good to at least 600+whp too btw.. it flows.

i didn't say the cams wouldn't work. it's not like when you go turbo they suddenly won't fit. i said they won't make as much power as you would with a turbo grind. n/a blower and turbo grind cams are all different. they are designed to do different things and different rpms. using one for the other will work, yes, but not as efficiently as using the proper cams.

a little back pressure is good. stick with a 2.5" header and exhaust.

aside from the catback, and maybe the air filter. hardly anything else will transfer over to the turbo setup from the n/a setup.

look, you come in asking for opinions, you got them. if you're not going to take the advice that people give you, and it's all the same, then stop asking questions. with the way you're talking you seem to think you know everything already, so why ask? why ask people for their opinions and when they answer you tell them they're wrong. doesn't make sense to me.


not going to take peoples advice.. don't ask for it. quit being an askhole. /thread.

 

Mods cranky today

 

Im not saying your wrong. I was asking you as to why you recommended using the 2.4tb. Because I thought more air flow the better. Thank you for clearing that up. Now I know the 2.4tb flows. I was basically saying the ppl that say go boost are wrong...well because thats not my goal. My goal is 200 N/A. If I wanted to be like everyone else...I would do the supercharger and be well above my 200whp goal. Its just I have questions if certain parts would get me the 200whp and I couldn't get a straight yes or no. I had to just hear everyone say go boost. Now I see the answer is no...and then I asked for ways to get it to 200whp N/A and just get more ppl saying go boost. If thats what I wanted to do I would have never asked how to make 200whp N/A. I would have just read a how to s/c thread and went about my business. I dont have all the answers. Thats why I am here asking all these questions. Just gets frustrating when no one can answer you, they cant give advise beyond "go boost" there has to be someone on here that can tell me with the mods listed I can for sure get to or not get to 200whp. Or at least someone with a good knowledge that can get my 2.4 to 200whp N/A. I mean isnt that what the forums are for? Information and help when needed? Sorry that I got a little defensive when ppl said to go m62 route and make more than my goal. But N/A is where I want to be right now. Amd 200whp is my goal.

 

Unlike most, EXsoccer1921, you have actually given me advise, and some help besides to just boost my car. I appriciate that man! Just wish you had all my answers!

 

no cranky, just telling it like it is. if that's cranky you need to get out in the real world lol.



chevy, the reason people say "go boost" is because cobalts aren't like a civic hatch. we don't weigh 1,900lbs. 200hp n/a for us is not 11s on slicks. it's not even 14s. unless the ONLY reason for trying to get 200hp n/a is strictly for a goal and saying "i did it", there is no reason to. 200hp in these cars is dog ***** slow, especially for an auto car.

 

LOL this dude.

I posted on the first page, my car made 193whp all-motor (not on a happy dyno)....I probably have more experience building an all-motor ecotec than anyone on this site.

Dude doesn't ask me a single question....lol

 

Dunno what a "happy dyno" is, figured it was one with unreal numbers. So I just figured you were more or less sitting at 180-185ish like everyone else. But you said NOT on a happy dyno. So reading > me, my bad on that. Guess I'll move this to PM. Because this thread is just getting too outta hand

 

Well I hope it happens. It would be pretty sweet to see happen.

 

btw. don't do it on just one dyno. do it on multiple. that way if you hit 200 on all of them you can say you have 200hp. but just one dyno. i wouldn't trust it.

 

Same here

 

Sounds more like cheating haha. Idk what kind of dyno the shop near me has. But I'll eventually be using that one once im ready for a tune and dyno

 

bottom line, you can make well more than 200 whp on a 2.4 auto for way less cash if you go the s/c route. The simple $/HP math of a 200 whp NA 2.4 just doesnt make sense ....

 

200whp??

 

Hahahaha

 

Just was a goal I wanted to do as I have yet to see a 200whp N/A thats all guys. Didnt realize exactly how hard it would be. Ive been PM'ing Newt further on the subject amd now that I have seen all the work he did just to get 193whp on a manual trans it is wayyyyyy too much money as it would still be a long ways from 200whp on the automatic! Thanks for all the critisism tho, good stuff guys. I wasnt concerned about the money, until I saw the actual price tag of a really nicely built up motor like Newts, that still didnt even hit 200whp. Its out of the question. So now I'll just be saving for a mega overhaul on the motor(big boy turbo)

 

Remember seeing some of newts work a good while back.
Guy does know these motors pretty well.

Yes the cost is high to do it. Thats why everyone just goes boost. Along with the added tq which like soccer pointed out our cars are heavier than the typical civic.

Im not bashing ttr but Im also unsure of if you would see much of a gain from it on a 2.4 I dont think it would be even 15...

I think a ton of headwork (porting,polishing milling the head if possible) along with cams and balance shaft delete with full bolt ons and an aggressive tune you might be very close to 200whp. But the problem is you would have a ton of money tied up on the head work alone.

Though I will say this. If you havent driven a big hp car before I would start out with a basic stage 2 zzp turbo kit with a safe tune the stock longblock will hold up for a decent while. If you have driven a high hp vehicle then feel free to rip that stock motor out and have it built.

good luck

 

I belive zzp runs a stage 2 on e85 to get their 401whp it does about 300whp on 93 octane, I might be going that route. Is 400whp to much to DD tho? My buddy DD's his 300+ whp ss turbo, and in the summer DD's his 350+ whp twincharged Z24

 

lol...I don't remember who said they had a upgraded tranny but if you don't good luck handling 400whp...these transmissions suck. I wish I could do a tranny swap to a manual but it wouldn't be worth it. Cost less to just buy a lsj. My tranny already feels like it wants to kick my ass and im not even near 300whp

 

Me, i have the ZZP fully built trans.

 

how much was it? I know im going to need one when I start to push my car. lol

 

my reference to the civics had nothing to do with torque. i was just saying you can hit 200 n/a in a cobalt. props.. high five... but it'll still be dog ***** slow. with slicks and a proper suspension 13s might happen. but hitting 200 in a civic of the right body style and generation. you can be going much, much faster. so while 200 may be a nice goal for them. it's pretty much useless for us. other than to say "yeah i did it."

 

I wanna say it was 3 and a half? Plus all the extras I brought with me (TTR solid trans mounts, b&m trans cooler, amd a team green lsd insert....which the guy putting it in said it didnt fit? I dont think he put it in right tho...so I didn't get lsd. And they were gonna put in regular gm atf, I brought a full case and a half of full synthetic atf) also my tcm was bad so I had to get a new tcm, so for me, with all the extras and needing a new trans computer. It was about 4 grand

 

My trans took a dump on me (well the computer did at 65k, right after the warranty was up at 60k) I bought the car with 50k on it...so I only got a good 15k outta the car before it needed major work haha. When the computer went bad i dodnt have 2nd gear. It would jump from 1st to 3rd! I didn't have the money to fix it right away, so I drove on it till 97k hahaha! It destroyed the internals, then I drove it 350 miles to ZZP and they did the install lol!

 

This thread gave me a headache...At least its taking a better turn now.

 

i would recomend a mehtonol kit, and spring/retainers/cams/tune/exhaust. with maybe a 8k rev limit.

Should get you there, your a definitly a man who stays focused on his goals thats for sure

remember, HP=(TQxRPM)/5252, so if you base 2.4 le5, makes 150 ft lbs, by my retarded high school drop out math, 7500 rpms will get you there