yup that explains why they used auto trans in drag racing(I'm talking about the NOPI Street class Cobalts). Ok they are race modified but still an auto trans and yes I know its not the same auto trans thats used in the Cobalt.

here is some info on the race modified auto trans if you are interested.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/drcst...t.asp?ID=25954

 

Did you read my posts? You're comparing apples to oranges. We're not talking about race cars, we're talking about your basic everyday cobalts. When talking about basic, everyday cobalts, the auto will always be slower with similar horsepower and weight. There's no disputing that, because it's not an opinion.

 

As an automatic, I disagree. Now don't get me wrong here. Id love to own a manual car. But it's not as bad as a lot of you make it out to be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaJ9jdo4g-8

 

sigh.... there's nothing to disagree with... it wasn't an opinion, its a fact. Do some research on the car you drive, and come back when you're ready to talk. Fact is, your AVERAGE every day cobalt will run significantly slower with an auto. Why do you think the 2.4 auto's run low 16's or maybe high 15's stock? Vs. low to mid 15's for a manual. And why does the auto 2.2 run low to mid 16's auto vs. mid -high 15's stock? Simple. Read my post you disagreed with.

I never said you can't make an automatic car fast. I said it won't be as fast as a manual with the same mods. (again, pertaining to your run of the mill cobalt. Please stop the "Well race cars blah blah blah)

Believe me, I was one of the base model pioneers. I was one of the first people to discover sai, and I was one of the first to take it off. WHen I posted about sai, people told me I was an idiot and didn't know what I was talking about. After dumping money into the 2.2 and still being rediculous slow, and realizing that without spending big bucks it would never be quick, I decided it was cheaper to trade in for something more powerful. There's certainly no disputing the fact that the auto's are slower than the manuals WITH COMPARABLE POWER.

 

LOL at posting ZZP's TURBO car to somehow claim that the auto's drivetrain losses are less than the 5-spd.

 

x2.

Honestly.

 

Eh im an 08 but from what I can gather from racing puts me in the mid to high 15 second bracket for an auto 2.4 car. Definitely not a 16 second car. Ive pulled a 15.6 car from a dig and a punch. (b18c swapped 95 civic coupe 5 spd etc yes he had the time slip).

While it gives up some to the 5 spd. Putting it in L stalling it out with the esc and traction off and it will launch pretty hard. Ive lost half a car off the line to a 5 spd prelude sr (93 canadian model) and the kid knew how to drive I ended up losing at 80mph by half a car. Not too bad considering he had nearly the same hp and weighed slightly less.

Autos in terms of racing arent as good as a 5 spd. But they do hang in there better than you give them credit for. By the way ive walked a 5 spd 2.2 cobalt with exhaust.

Then again it seems the 08s are fairly strong runners.

Oh and im stock save for the window tint

 

they run about a 1/2 second slower than the manual... have you run your car to know it's now low 16's? Or even high at mid to high 15's, a manual will run low to mid 15's. that's a pretty big difference.

 

havent ran my car yet. And manuals seem to be running a best of a high 14. So mid to high 15's seems about right. It might be bench racing. But judging on what ive run im a mid to high 15 car.
The only 16 second car I ran (he only gtech'd it though backed it up with the Iphone 1/4 app) and it ran a 16 flat. Everytime ive ran him I will pull 2 cars on him until 80-85 then at 90 its down to 1 car and 100 its even then 105 hes passed me. (acura RL 98 model)

 

you're missing the point. And you confirmed it. The point is, auto is slower. If a manual is running high 14's, and auto is mid - high 15's, how is the auto now significantly slower?

 

slower stock. But a tune cleans that up some. I never disagreed they were slower. But not that big of a difference. Half second is the norm. My point was its not as bad as you make it out to be. If I can beat a car thats ran mid 15's and pull on a car thats ran 16 flat obviously im not doing too bad for what the car is.

 

A manual tuned will also clean it up some vs the autotragic.

 

true. but the auto does gain a bit more. in the tunes your cleaning up just the motor on the manuals. but the tunes also help clean up the transmission tune typically on the autos.

 

What about the Auto Turbo Solstice vs the Manual Turbo Solstice? I read that the 0-60 times were better for the auto than the manual. I thought I read that on Car and Drive. Maybe it was Motortrend.

 

if you don't think that a half second is substantial, you know nothing about racing, and this is not worth going any further.

I'm not sure about the pontiac, but there's a bunch of cars where the auto is faster. With t he newer cars coming out with the 5, 6, 7+ speed auto's they will have better gearing than the manual, and faster shifts.

 

eh is it substantial in a daily driven fwd? Not really....

Would it be to a pure drag machine yes.

 

Most drag cars are auto because they are more consistent. I think having an auto is also easier on the drivetrain like the axles, etc. Most autos today are as fast as a manual and sometimes faster.

 

How so? Some of the fastest auto times on this site owned by members are ran in autos...

 

...because they're modded. My stock 5-speed 2.4 vs. your auto turbo 2.4... it's pretty obvious who would win... but does that mean the auto tranny has less losses than the 5-speed? *Drumroll please.........* NO!

 

Obviously. However, as proven many times on this site.

A HAHN Stg 2 Turbo kit on both manuals and auto's, even from a roll race. the auto prevails.

Is it better? To a point.

The auto tends to slow down quite a bit after 110.

Doesnt take me long to get to 110, but takes awhile to get from 110 to 130.

Yes,


Obviously. However, as proven many times on this site.

A HAHN Stg 2 Turbo kit on both manuals and auto's, even from a roll race. the auto prevails.

Is it better? To a point.

The auto tends to slow down quite a bit after 110.

Doesnt take me long to get to 110, but takes awhile to get from 110 to 130.

Yes, the auto does have more drivetrain loss. however, with the improved shift time, and perfect shifts each and every single time. it makes up for the 3~5% loss from the manual.

 

Don't try to talk your way out of it. Any way you look at it, a half - full second difference is a very big difference. You obviously have no idea, so I won't try to explain anymore.

Really?

This list proves otherwise https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/deleted-threads-89/official-top-10-1-4-1-8th-mile-list-185659/


Yea, there's some auto's on the lists. Why? because not that many people have done f/i and ran their car down the track. That's why there's not 10 names on there, so there's nothing to compare it too.

All along the list, compare mod for mod, and the auto runs slower. I don't see why people can't understand it. If you have an auto, don't feel like you have to justify it. I owned one for 2 years. But don't try to say it's going to be quicker mod for mod, because if you understood ANYTHING about transmissions, and gearing, you would know it's not possible. thx.

 

Let me correct you on a few things here and throw in a few details.

Did I ever say the auto was better? no
Did I ever say the auto was faster? no
Did I admit the auto is around a half second slower or so? Yes
Will the auto be quicker mod for mod? no
Will the auto most likely pick up more from a tune? Yes (remember the transmission can be retuned as well so the auto can indeed benefit better from a tune than a manual)
"because if you understood ANYTHING about transmissions, and gearing, you would know"
Is a half second slower in the 1/4 a big deal on the street? Not at all and only above city speeds will you really notice this.
Is saying an auto being a half second slower on the street ok back peddaling? no
Do I honestly care that your getting competitive to prove a moot point? Yeah not so much.
My whole arguement is and was that an auto isnt as bad as your making out. Did I prove that point? yes.

So in the end am I done? Sure am.

 

Poor guy we jacked his thread. Sorry bout that anyhow to answer his question its not worth trying to swap the trans there is a lot work that must be done, not to mention it may not work properly in the end.

So here is my suggestion either trade the car for a cobalt with a 5 speed or find another cheap car with a 5 speed.

 

lol good point.

While I think a few people have done it this is a very complicated swap on a newer car such as a cobalt. So unless theres sentimental value I would say to trade your car in.
If you however want to pursue this your best bet is to find a wrecked donor car.

 

yea typical css.net turned it into a war that had nothing to do with teh original subject.