Hahn RaceCraft 2.4 Cobalt TurboSystem
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i must give credit where credit is due.....you victory are indeed on top of a very big hill...but unlike yourself there are alot of other ss/sc drivers who are complete douchbags and think their cars are the greatest cobalts ever built ....it only takes someone with high hopes for the 2.4 to make a cobalt to top them all....what numbers are you looking at as far as hp/tq goes on your car?
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So if this is the equivalent of the Stage II kit for the Solstice, which is putting out 284 hp at the crank and 242 whp, even at a modest estimate of 225 whp for us ... we're looking at low 14, and maybe even mid-13, 1/4 miles...
And they ridiculous Stage Kits 3 and 4 already made for the solstice/sky..
And they ridiculous Stage Kits 3 and 4 already made for the solstice/sky..
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i must give credit where credit is due.....you victory are indeed on top of a very big hill...but unlike yourself there are alot of other ss/sc drivers who are complete douchbags and think their cars are the greatest cobalts ever built ....it only takes someone with high hopes for the 2.4 to make a cobalt to top them all....what numbers are you looking at as far as hp/tq goes on your car?
As for my numbers we are looking at 750rwhp and about 600ft/lb tq.
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Bill Hahn Jr.!!!!! The only reason that i DID NOT buy a SS/SC is the TURBO SS, i give all due respect to the SS/SC and the lucky ones who have the turbo 2.2l, it is what it is, but its time for the 2.4 to get RESPECT. FINALLY THE 2.4L GETS UNLEASHED!!!!
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woohoo im gonna go ask my grandpa for 4k tomorrow. lol i probly gotta wait till spring for income tax. if hahn can let me finance it or make payments that would be awsome. i didnt think installing this turbo would sound that simple from what ive read. 4k seems a bit high though maybe because they made it so simple for us thats why its so expensive.
ryan. i also hope that the gmpp exhaust and ca dp can take the turbo. along with my intake i dont think the intake can stay. just wondering what kind of different work the manual 2.4 will have for the turbo compared to the auto 2.4 and yes i do know how bad it is behind our engines. i put my header on and that took 1 hr and a half. and used 2 people. im assuming that setup is the same as the manual unless that is the manual.
i am using the 34# 2.0 sc injectors will those work with the turbo unless it comes with them. damn im gonna have to sell half my parts i just bought for this damn thing.
and it will be better than the 2.0s unless those guys start buying the twingcharging system or swap out the sc for a turbo. theyl be lying down. over 300whp
then il just buy pistons then cams and throw some nitrous on it even though i said i wont. and then i could possibly sc the whole thing with turbo gosh.$$$$$
ryan.
ryan. i also hope that the gmpp exhaust and ca dp can take the turbo. along with my intake i dont think the intake can stay. just wondering what kind of different work the manual 2.4 will have for the turbo compared to the auto 2.4 and yes i do know how bad it is behind our engines. i put my header on and that took 1 hr and a half. and used 2 people. im assuming that setup is the same as the manual unless that is the manual.
i am using the 34# 2.0 sc injectors will those work with the turbo unless it comes with them. damn im gonna have to sell half my parts i just bought for this damn thing.
then il just buy pistons then cams and throw some nitrous on it even though i said i wont. and then i could possibly sc the whole thing with turbo gosh.$$$$$
ryan.
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woohoo im gonna go ask my grandpa for 4k tomorrow. lol i probly gotta wait till spring for income tax. if hahn can let me finance it or make payments that would be awsome. i didnt think installing this turbo would sound that simple from what ive read. 4k seems a bit high though maybe because they made it so simple for us thats why its so expensive.
ryan. i also hope that the gmpp exhaust and ca dp can take the turbo. along with my intake i dont think the intake can stay. just wondering what kind of different work the manual 2.4 will have for the turbo compared to the auto 2.4 and yes i do know how bad it is behind our engines. i put my header on and that took 1 hr and a half. and used 2 people. im assuming that setup is the same as the manual unless that is the manual.
i am using the 34# 2.0 sc injectors will those work with the turbo unless it comes with them. damn im gonna have to sell half my parts i just bought for this damn thing.
and it will be better than the 2.0s unless those guys start buying the twingcharging system or swap out the sc for a turbo. theyl be lying down. over 300whp
ryan.
ryan. i also hope that the gmpp exhaust and ca dp can take the turbo. along with my intake i dont think the intake can stay. just wondering what kind of different work the manual 2.4 will have for the turbo compared to the auto 2.4 and yes i do know how bad it is behind our engines. i put my header on and that took 1 hr and a half. and used 2 people. im assuming that setup is the same as the manual unless that is the manual.
i am using the 34# 2.0 sc injectors will those work with the turbo unless it comes with them. damn im gonna have to sell half my parts i just bought for this damn thing.
and it will be better than the 2.0s unless those guys start buying the twingcharging system or swap out the sc for a turbo. theyl be lying down. over 300whp
ryan.
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i for sure want to know if theyl let me make payments i dont know if theyl do that since theres thousands of guys with 2.4s. a hahn credit card would be nice. lol.
ryan.
ryan.
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woohoo im gonna go ask my grandpa for 4k tomorrow. lol i probly gotta wait till spring for income tax. if hahn can let me finance it or make payments that would be awsome. i didnt think installing this turbo would sound that simple from what ive read. 4k seems a bit high though maybe because they made it so simple for us thats why its so expensive.
ryan. i also hope that the gmpp exhaust and ca dp can take the turbo. along with my intake i dont think the intake can stay. just wondering what kind of different work the manual 2.4 will have for the turbo compared to the auto 2.4 and yes i do know how bad it is behind our engines. i put my header on and that took 1 hr and a half. and used 2 people. im assuming that setup is the same as the manual unless that is the manual.
i am using the 34# 2.0 sc injectors will those work with the turbo unless it comes with them. damn im gonna have to sell half my parts i just bought for this damn thing.
and it will be better than the 2.0s unless those guys start buying the twingcharging system or swap out the sc for a turbo. theyl be lying down. over 300whp
then il just buy pistons then cams and throw some nitrous on it even though i said i wont. and then i could possibly sc the whole thing with turbo gosh.$$$$$
ryan.
ryan. i also hope that the gmpp exhaust and ca dp can take the turbo. along with my intake i dont think the intake can stay. just wondering what kind of different work the manual 2.4 will have for the turbo compared to the auto 2.4 and yes i do know how bad it is behind our engines. i put my header on and that took 1 hr and a half. and used 2 people. im assuming that setup is the same as the manual unless that is the manual.
i am using the 34# 2.0 sc injectors will those work with the turbo unless it comes with them. damn im gonna have to sell half my parts i just bought for this damn thing.
and it will be better than the 2.0s unless those guys start buying the twingcharging system or swap out the sc for a turbo. theyl be lying down. over 300whp
then il just buy pistons then cams and throw some nitrous on it even though i said i wont. and then i could possibly sc the whole thing with turbo gosh.$$$$$
ryan.
As for the kit... hmm. Too late for me. But I'm at least glad I'll see some other turbo 2.4L 's out there.
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i hope financing is available
after i read your post i kinda thought "******* comment?" but then i read his post and the guy was all over the place, lol.
after i read your post i kinda thought "******* comment?" but then i read his post and the guy was all over the place, lol.
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Hey guys, Bill's son here and I would like to give you an insight on this car from the daily driver's point of view.
I have driven quite a few of our development cars and I must say that this car is the most enjoyable. The car is SUPER responsive. Most automatics take their time downshifting but this car downshifts in no time. Most amazing about it is that the downshift is faster and more responsive than a manual transmission car. Literally power right under your right foot, no left foot requried .
Also, as my dad had mentioned, the gas mileage has increased. I'll give you some numbers even. Before turbocharging, the car showed an average of 27 MPG. That 27 MPG number was averaged in about 750 miles so it is quite accurate. When the turbosystem was installed, I ran an average of 29 MPG and that is with quite a few boosted runs. To be honest I was uterally astonished. I commute to my college so gas mileage is pretty important and though an increase of 2 MPG seems miniscule, that is closing in on an extra 20+ miles per tank. I also drove the car softly with no boost and averaged 32 MPG but that was only from one tank, I couldn't help not boosting it.
I'm not sure who asked, but someone wanted to know about shops who do installs. I am happy to tell you all that Hahn RaceCraft will begin to do installs starting June 11th. Call to inquire if you are interested!
Any other questions, please feel free to ask.
I have driven quite a few of our development cars and I must say that this car is the most enjoyable. The car is SUPER responsive. Most automatics take their time downshifting but this car downshifts in no time. Most amazing about it is that the downshift is faster and more responsive than a manual transmission car. Literally power right under your right foot, no left foot requried .
Also, as my dad had mentioned, the gas mileage has increased. I'll give you some numbers even. Before turbocharging, the car showed an average of 27 MPG. That 27 MPG number was averaged in about 750 miles so it is quite accurate. When the turbosystem was installed, I ran an average of 29 MPG and that is with quite a few boosted runs. To be honest I was uterally astonished. I commute to my college so gas mileage is pretty important and though an increase of 2 MPG seems miniscule, that is closing in on an extra 20+ miles per tank. I also drove the car softly with no boost and averaged 32 MPG but that was only from one tank, I couldn't help not boosting it.
I'm not sure who asked, but someone wanted to know about shops who do installs. I am happy to tell you all that Hahn RaceCraft will begin to do installs starting June 11th. Call to inquire if you are interested!
Any other questions, please feel free to ask.
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Hey guys, Bill's son here and I would like to give you an insight on this car from the daily driver's point of view.
I have driven quite a few of our development cars and I must say that this car is the most enjoyable. The car is SUPER responsive. Most automatics take their time downshifting but this car downshifts in no time. Most amazing about it is that the downshift is faster and more responsive than a manual transmission car. Literally power right under your right foot, no left foot requried .
Also, as my dad had mentioned, the gas mileage has increased. I'll give you some numbers even. Before turbocharging, the car showed an average of 27 MPG. That 27 MPG number was averaged in about 750 miles so it is quite accurate. When the turbosystem was installed, I ran an average of 29 MPG and that is with quite a few boosted runs. To be honest I was uterally astonished. I commute to my college so gas mileage is pretty important and though an increase of 2 MPG seems miniscule, that is closing in on an extra 20+ miles per tank. I also drove the car softly with no boost and averaged 32 MPG but that was only from one tank, I couldn't help not boosting it.
I'm not sure who asked, but someone wanted to know about shops who do installs. I am happy to tell you all that Hahn RaceCraft will begin to do installs starting June 11th. Call to inquire if you are interested!
Any other questions, please feel free to ask.
I have driven quite a few of our development cars and I must say that this car is the most enjoyable. The car is SUPER responsive. Most automatics take their time downshifting but this car downshifts in no time. Most amazing about it is that the downshift is faster and more responsive than a manual transmission car. Literally power right under your right foot, no left foot requried .
Also, as my dad had mentioned, the gas mileage has increased. I'll give you some numbers even. Before turbocharging, the car showed an average of 27 MPG. That 27 MPG number was averaged in about 750 miles so it is quite accurate. When the turbosystem was installed, I ran an average of 29 MPG and that is with quite a few boosted runs. To be honest I was uterally astonished. I commute to my college so gas mileage is pretty important and though an increase of 2 MPG seems miniscule, that is closing in on an extra 20+ miles per tank. I also drove the car softly with no boost and averaged 32 MPG but that was only from one tank, I couldn't help not boosting it.
I'm not sure who asked, but someone wanted to know about shops who do installs. I am happy to tell you all that Hahn RaceCraft will begin to do installs starting June 11th. Call to inquire if you are interested!
Any other questions, please feel free to ask.
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so let me get this straight i can get a kick ass turbo kit for 4k that i can just put on my car and go and not have to spend a dime in tunning. I think im really starting to like this..
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BUT...and this is a Big BUT:
You will have the opportunity to fine tune the system's air-fuel ratios to suit your specific application and climate. It occurred to me while developing our Solstice/Sky systems that inevitably, folks in the field would need some fine-tuning capability to tailor and perfect their combinations, and that shipping the PCM back to us for every little tweak would be not only time consuming, but ineffective. As good as we are, how good can we be if we don't have your car and combo and weather here to first determine WHAT needs tweaking, then validate our changes afterwards? Sure, it can be done, but the whole process is a royal PITA for all.
With the stacked approach of the reflash combined with BoostFueler, you guys and gals can do fine tuning yourself! This is a new, innovative method. And it's easy...no degree in 'Flashology' required, jusy turn a screw!
I will have our Dealer Department contact you with recommendations.
Well if I won'tbe able to drive it for a weekend, ya gotta have the genuine drafts! So what more can you tell us about this program that comes with it to make tuning a snap.. is it software based, using a laptop - or what are we looking at?
Also - how did you guys manage the fuel issues, 5th injector? And this is using a piggy back system, right?
Also - how did you guys manage the fuel issues, 5th injector? And this is using a piggy back system, right?
Fine tuning is accomplished through adjustment of the BoostFueler, which manipulates fuel pressures versus boost, in essence adding a third axis to fuel management that reflash alone cannot accomplish.
It can be adjusted for A/F mixtures at idle/cruise, boost onset, and full boost, giving you the ability to change your fueling selectively at different load points and recurve fuel delivery to suit your needs. No longer are you 'locked' into the tuning parameters of a pure reflash.
Of course, the system comes with baseline BoostFueler settings that will likely not need tailoring. However, the peace of mind comes from knowing that if and when you do need a 'tweak', it's easy!
2.2's from 2007 and up are welcome to give me a call for discussion. The earlier cars have that orphan computer that hasn't been cracked yet.
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I'm curious what is involved to crack the 2006 e16a ECM. I have 15 years worth of software reverse engineering experience but I've never drifted into automotive computing to date. I want to see the 2006 2.2 boosted as much as the 2.4, because I own one. I'm curious what exactly the engineers are having trouble with cracking. I've reverse engineered things like the Compaq IPAQ (we reflashed the ROM chip with a diskless version of the Linux OS 2.4 Kernel), Xbox Matrix Mod Chip reflash, Ethernet NIC reflashes, most recently my new HP printer inkjets stopped working so I had to download the OS and after about a week I figured out that the ink heads were drying up so I changed the sequence of refreshes and now it works great, I've also cracked satelite recievers, CISCO routers, and many other devices that I'm after forgetting. Oh one of my most favorite hardware hacks for a Hitachi LCD screen that I wired up through a serial COM1 and I wrote a basic driver for Linux to display CPU and RAM heat for my home server.
I've also done alot of higher level application cracking such as reverse engineering PC Games and applications from DOS to Windows XP, Unix, Linux, Mac OSX, whatever.....
I would need a 2006 e16a ECM and a way to interface it to a PC probably through a COM port. A way to download the program data, likely some sort of tcftp mechanism exists already, how else does the dealer update the ECM. Then extracting the binary data and reading through it in hexadecimal and/or assembly. I assume this is where the "cracking" is currently on going because it is where the most time is spent in hardware hacking usually. What is so different from the e16a as opposed to other modules?
Is help needed in cracking?
I've also done alot of higher level application cracking such as reverse engineering PC Games and applications from DOS to Windows XP, Unix, Linux, Mac OSX, whatever.....
I would need a 2006 e16a ECM and a way to interface it to a PC probably through a COM port. A way to download the program data, likely some sort of tcftp mechanism exists already, how else does the dealer update the ECM. Then extracting the binary data and reading through it in hexadecimal and/or assembly. I assume this is where the "cracking" is currently on going because it is where the most time is spent in hardware hacking usually. What is so different from the e16a as opposed to other modules?
Is help needed in cracking?
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Ah yes, financing! If you can hold tight for a few days...my sales manager is currently exploring some financing options. While we've not offered financing before, it looks like we may finally be doing so!