isnt an intercooler necessary? but i suppose not if boost levels are smaller... what would we expect, like 215 hp?

 

Don't you worry...we are noted for developing systems that have HUMONGOUS upper power capability.

One notable example is our Ecotec Sunfire...our off-the-shelf turbokit on a motor with rods and pistons...makes over 400 to the wheels and pops off low 11-second passes, repeatably and dependably.

Looking for more? Our Eclipse turbosystem for the non-turbo engine (which is actually a 2.0 liter version of what comes in SRT-4) has run hi-TEN's @ 136 MPH in off-the-shelf form with a shot of nitrous added.

Both of the above are still daily-driveable, and have pased emissions testing to retain their license plates. And that's WITH all the turbo and fuel system hardware still installed!!

 

This also comes down to throttle position and engine load, much like the previous discussion about power numbers.

Try to imagine the turbo as an infinitely-variable supercharger that's OFF at cruising speed, thus not affecting mileage at all. Frankly, we've had numerous reports of INCREASED mileage with many of our kits. While I won't certify that as a proposed result, I will maintain that driven correctly (meaning NOT like you stole it 24/7!), mileage will not suffer at all vesus stock.

 

Bear in mind, this upper speed limit is set as a factor of the safe maximum for the tires. Nothing we plan to do will ever countermand that. We'll just help you get there quicker!

 

Affirmative!

 

You are correct..at lower boost levels, compressor discharge temperatures are lower, so intercooling is not a requirement. It's impossible to make an accurate 'guess' on the power level achieved until we do it, so I will reserve comment on that for now.

 

has work been started on the stg 1 or is it still on the planning board

(i assume once a stg 2 is created, a stg 1 is also created since stg 1 is an upgrade of stg 2 lol)

 

I was under the same impression.

 

i wonder what will seperate stg 1 from stg 2 (besides hp/tq numbers and the absence of an intercooler)

 

I'll back this up. Now that the computer is compensating for the 40# injectors, I am getting 32MPG highway and 26-28 city. Even with the 100% stock tune on the car I was getting 24 city and 28 highway. The best I got without the kit was 22/25.

 

Ok guys, i know that isn't entirely what you wanted to see..or hear, but that is the idea of a teaser video. Trust me, the next one will make turbo fans go nuts!
Also, to hit on another topic. Yes, it is true, i have actually seen better gas mileage with the turbosystem on.... That is at cruising anyway!!!

 

I'm liking the sound of that. Also that is true about a teaser video

 

lol yep i didnt think you would let it top 140.....so you are saying that with stg 1 we will not require an intercooler to run the turbo setup because it isnt running hot enough (lack of an intercooler wont cause quicker wear and tear and/or dependability will it)?......and can you say if this turbo will be out before december....(i taste a juicy christmas present in the mixer).......for stg 1 i would be perfectly happy with a bump to about 210-215....an excellent starting place for me.....

........look forward to gettin some answers from you Bill....thanks

 

probably runs on stock injectors, no intercooler, and only like 5psi, thats enough to separate the kits.

 

Stage I systems do not require an intercooler because intake heat is relative to boost pressure produced...the more boost produced, the more heat is added to the intake charge. Typically, Stage I systems run at 5 PSI boost, and at that boost level, intake heat is not high enough to require intercooling.

Stage II will be out before December, yes...should be out in the next month or so. Stage I we have not committed to offering...yet. We will base that decision on demand, so...whoop it up, boys and girls! Convince me that Stage I must be built!

We call the intercooled system Stage II to be consistent with our other applications...everything we sell with an intercooler is denoted as Stage II. Frankly, we sell considerably more Stage II's than I's...seems most folks really want the additional power and that tasty front mounted intercooler!

 

ill convince you:

considering that many people can trade in their 2.4s for 2.0 for around 3000 dollars, resulting in bigger tires, body kit, short shifter, and a s/ that makes 220 hp (or so), i dont see why many people would buy a 4500 kit that would make 240... the 20 hp difference between the sc and turbo system can easily be eliminated by adding a stg 2 performance kit on the sc for about 600 dollars

therefore, to undermine the exchange rate, i'd say that hanh should make a stg 1 for around 3000 dollars, leaving us around 210-215 hp (similar to our SC friends) - therefore, i'd find it a WISE business decision to make a stg 1 turbo kit to prevent 2.4 from switching to 2.0s

i am not trying to bash the new turbo system, i am so delighted someone has commited to a turbo system! But in reality, people are looking for cheap power, and well... the 2.0s offer the same amount of power for less! The only way to convince us 2.4 guys is to compete with 2.0 prices!

<333

 

^^^ I completely agree with you. But there are also the people that simply want a small project car to toss a turbo on to have fun. Or many might want to keep their autos and/or 4 doors.

But I still think your right for about 70% of the 2.4 owners.

 

i understand, but many 2.4 owners have 2 doors and the auto turbo kit system is only out for a manual right now.. therefore, i think a change to a 2.0 would be better unless hanh offers a decent price

but on the other hand, garrett turbo systems is also coming out so maybe there will be some old-fashion capitalism where one company tries to undermine the other company by reducing prices.. who knows

the bottom line is that most members want a stg 1 because its cheaper and would offer that alternative to the 2.0.. the problem is that it just has to be cheap enough

 

Ok, we all bought the 2.4L with the intention of someday throwing a turbosystem on it. Price is a large factor yes, but if you think about it, we are getting almost 100WHP added on. Some don't take the time to ponder the CONSIDERABLE amount of power we are getting added onto the car. Now in my opinion, that is Surely worth the money spent!

 

quick interjection...this $4500 figure is a bit inflated. I see our Stage II 2.4 system coming in at $3500-$4000.

 

Great price, this just make me change my mind, might have to start panhandling though

 

That would make sense...if you did away with some simple facts.

1) The 240WHP number that HRC is getting is on a very LOW 8PSI.
2) You can add over 100 more HP just by upping the boost. Cost: one boost controller.
3) The superchargers power level is limited, severely, by pulley size.
4) The pulley sizes are VERY limited by the supercharger itself. You can only go so small before your at terminal boost levels.
5) Maximum boost = maximum power level. If you can't make more boost, you can't make more power. With the HRC kit you can easily up the boost, as stated before, or swap to the ungodly Super 25G turbo and make some disgusting, race car only, power levels.


That is all.

 

^^^^^Amen!!!!

I think the release date of the turbo system should be a holiday!!! lol like when the new madden game comes out

 

I'll make the release date a holiday! I'll throw a party because I get to sell more HRC kits and make more super fast Ecotecs


WOOHOO!

 

^^^^ i know my main reason was insurance purposes.....mostly cuz im younger but i dont care 3k for a stg1 turbo and well be right in the ss/sc's power range......