i was looking, and i didnt realize they were only like 135-210$

btw what is the major difference between these two.. they both add the same power.. but i was just wondering what the car would sound like with one on it?

http://www.tntautosport.com/index.ph...ort=20a&page=2

i know one is ceramic but does that make a big difference?

 

Ceramic coating decreases temperatures very well and will make the mild steel header last longer. I would recommend using that opposed to just having a painted header.

The thing you have to realize with the pacesetter, is that it is not a direct bolt on. Welding is required and that will add $50-100+ onto your bill depending on if you can get a deal and where you're located...

EDIT: From what I've heard, though, it's a great header for the price. Unless you're running huge power, you won't really notice the differnce using this header over any other...especially if you're not tuning the car for it.

 

i had pacesetter they sucked it fucked up the sound the place i bought it from said it was a bolt in it had leaks like hell i recommend cobalt addiction look at there choices

 

I agree that the Cobalt Addiction is another nice cheap piece. However, the place you had install it obviously didn't know what they were doing. They installed it incorrectly and that's why it seemed like a piece of ****. There are a lot of members on this forum running that header with absolutely no problems. Either that shop is a bunch of idiots, or you got a bad one out of the batch. I would have contacted Pacesetter in that situation regardless. Either the shop owes you a new one or pacesetter does, shouldn't be your problem though...

 

pacesetter gave me my money back what is a good dp and header setup for my ls

 

cool i'll have to check out cobalt addiction too

 

from anyone that has ditched their pacesetter, have you noticed a difference (loss) in power? Not sure if I wanna ditch the Pacesetter for a shorty header and also not completely sure if I wanna spend $600 on a header comparable to Pacesetter

 

600? the pacesetter is only 210

 

I believe he's referring to the fact that the other long-tube headers are much more expensive than the pacesetter; hence, comparible...

 

If you want a all in one bolt on look here, Its pretty good, shows total cost to. http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=545&catid=155, its my next addon within a week or so.

 

im still learning alot about perfomance mods on cars and such, but does the length of the tube matter? and does it provide more power.. say if its longer or shorter?

 

shorty= more low to mid power
long tube= more mid to high power.

Long tubes provide more power overall on a dyno however, which is why they are more expensive.

I have the Cobalt Addiction header. Its pretty nice....the finish wore off in like no time though. I did my full exhaust back in November. At the time, the Clear Image long tube wasn't available as it just recently came out. If it had been though, I probally would've spent the extra money to get that over the Cobalt Addiction header. That Clear Image header just looks plain sick, and in all honesty i'd kinda rather have a long tube.

Also, on a 2.4 make sure your buying a header with a proper size collector. The CA has a 2.25" (kinda small, stock size collector just bigger tubing) whereas the Clear Image has a 2.5" collector which I believe is ideal for the 2.4. Just make sure you don't get something overkill w/ a 3" collector, as thats engineered moreso for the 2.0 SS/SC models. You'd only be hurting yourself with anything 3" as far as the exhaust goes.

But for $200 (+ $180 for the de-cat downpipe) for a grand total of $380, i'm definitely satisfied with my header/downpipe setup.

Hope I helped.

 

i beg to differ on your 3" collector on a 2.4l i have the zzp ceramic coated with their high flow catted d/p and it works awesome...you just need to tune the car to your mods...i've made more bottom end power with this setup n/a but a supercharger is in the works so i also bought it for that reason lol.

 

now when u say this do you mean

shorty= more low to mid power
long tube= more mid to high power.


shorty= more torque?

long= more hp?

 

I like my cobalt addiction header and highflow cat downpipe. Not bad for the prive that was paid.

 

i was taught slim and long = more trq
short and fat = more hp

 

no, I mean what I typed, lol.

On a dyno you'll see your peak gains in the low-mid section of the power band with a shorty header, and with a long tube, your peak gains will be in the mid-high section of the powerband. A long tube you might make more overall power with, but the power itself will be made in higher RPMs. No matter what, both headers will make more power across the band.........but the shorty will make more power in low RPMs whereas a long tube will likely benefit you moreso in higher RPMs towards the middle part of your powerband until the redline.

indeed. I have the cat-less downpipe which causes some CEL problems, but once it gets tuned and the rear O2 sensor is shut off, I think i'll really see its full potential.

 

get the cobalt addiction stuff. best hp for the price. i mean for like 500 bucks u get some good stuff. best stuff for the price.

im not saying this cuz im friends with them and live 10min away from the shop...its great stuff..and it soon will be on my car.

 

The way i understood it was the gains on a header are more determined with the size of the primeries rather then the type (shorty vs long tube). But generally the shorties have bigger primaries which helps in the upper rpms because the bigger tubes can be taken advantage off when their is more air to be moved. Also the fact that its shorter gets the exhaust gasses out quicker which again can help more in the higher rpms. With the long tubes (which generally are 4-2-1) have smaller primaries due to the stepped approach of the collectors which are better suited for the mid range where not as much air is being moved so the smaller pipes create a better scavenging effect on the exhaust gasses. But due to the samller primaries they can't move as much air at the higher rpms.

 

The Highflow cat will throw a code to. I just set my rear O2 sensor to show no error with HPT.

 

no sound with stock line

 

so whats betteR?