I havent checked the code...I will go to AAP and have em check it today...but it smells like its running rich, and what i figured that the car would that if it THOUGHT it was running lean(kinda like a fail safe) nothing but 93 goes into it...happened right after I put on my CAI...

 

My CEL was on and off when I had only my AEM cai. But when I got my XTC de-cat downpipe, it came on.......and never went off. I had a Weapon-R CEL eliminator, but clearence issues kept it from tightening in all the way, and it ended up getting ripped off by something on the road. Needless to say, I put only the O2 sensor back in after that incident. With the CEL eliminator on, it ran noticeably better. Some people say that CEL's dont hinder performance, but I beg to differ. And with me probally having multiple CEL's from multiple performance parts, I know my is a far cry from correct performance.

 

All you guys need to get with Psykostevo here. He did a great job tuning my car and I haven't had a single MIL light or problem for that matter. Like he said he can even send you his tune.

 

yeah, but every car is different. And my mods differ from yours. I'd really like a tune directly for my car. However, I could use one of his tunes to give to Doc when I meet up w/ him on the 27th, and Doc could use it as a base to go off of.

 

I think it would be pretty cool if we had a section on this site for nothing but tuned files that people have uploaded and have the specs of the car and mods that have been done.Even with the hp numbers so everyone can download them and compare their tunes with the others.We could have a library of pretuned pcm files!

 

HPTuners already has this on their website.

 

I asked...I believe he wants money.

I'd do it..I told you I wouldn't charge you.

 

Ok, thanks for the heads up!

 

Is it wrong to charge money? I believe Vector charges $400.00 and does not even reprogram the tranny, so my $25 for the file is 100% fair.

 

Well i'm still coming on the 27th, so hopefully you'll have time to fit the lone 2.4 of the group in, lol. Nah man, I can't let you do it for free though. If your there devoting your time to helping someone else, especially considering your taking the day off to be there helping everyone, then I gotta give ya something. At least like $25-$50 or something.

 

yo paul u shud put some some screen shots of some runs we did the other day to show the guys wuts goin on.

 

will do tonight. no internet connection for the laptop at work.

 

You're mistaking the whole premise of file sharing and I refuse to charge a fellow tuner.

 

Ahh ethics. This is how I see it.

Why is it illegal to "share" music files made by professional musicians? Because they have thousands of hours in practice, exceptional talent and a large sum of money invested in creating and producing their work which is legally their "intelectual property". They therefore deserve to get paid. The price they charge is set by the free market ie. supply vs. demand.

A professional or even an ameteur tuner's "intelectual property" could be similarly classed.

I see no ethical problems with someone being compensated for their work. I paid $400 for a Wester's tune (plus shipping) - mainly because hp tuners for the 2.4 was not available at the time, and Westers has a great reputation, customer support and stands behind their product 100%.

I would have certainly paid a fair price for a tune done by a private individual or a small company that delivers similar results.

If you want to give your work away for free, I see no problem with that either. Some people place no value on their work, or believe it has no commercial value. Some are wealthy and give their work away as an act of charity to those less fortunate - an altruistic choice.

If however, like most of us, you need to earn a profit to: feed and clothe your family, and pay for your expenses involved with creating the tune ie. the cost of hp tuners, dyno testing, and data logging (tickets?) to further improve your tune, you need to charge something for your work. If not, you won't be able to afford to improve your tune, so no one will benefit from your talents. IMHO

 

Im looking into both HPT and Vector for tuning, just not sure which one to choose. Im willing to learn HPT, but I dont have access to a dyno. Vector would be the easy choice, but Im going to upgrade to he 34# injectors soon. Anybody have advice on which tune would be the better choice?

p.s. Not trying to hack the thread, I believe this is pretty relevant

 

Exactly. I got a $445 ticket for scanning my car with HPTuners while only going 12 over the speed limit. The HPTuners classified it as a Criminal activity. Because of junk like that there are costs and risks associated with these tunes.

Your Comment is very relevant. Buy HPTuners for the extra $100, and then you can flash my tune to it for the 34#'s, or someone elses tune for that matter, and then use the HPT for making money on the side once you figure out what you are doing.

 

Is HPT easy to learn? Is there some kind of teaching tool or run through type thing?

 

Well there is an excellent Help program in the Help section, and there are lots of explanations in the program for what specific tables do. Just do a lot of reading.

 

The program is very easy to learn. Using it to change settings in the car is very easy to use. Understanding what those changes do isn't. The basic premise of tuning is simple. All the parameters our computers use is daunting. If you want to learn to tune, I'd say buy the program and become active in the HPTuners forum. Find someone you can exchange ideas with or learn from and go from there. There are a few books that will help. The first two are very good, the other two are additional information.
How to Tune and Modify Engine Management Systems - Hartman (ISBN 0-7603-1582-5)
Haynes High-performance tuning - Engine Management - Walker (ISBN 1-85960-835-3)
Engine Builders Handbook - Monroe (ISBN 1-55788-245-2)
HPBooks Auto Math Handbook - Lawlor (ISBN 1-55788-020-4)

If you want to learn more, come to the meet on the 7th in Frederick and I'll give you a run down.

 

Thanks for the help Psyko and Doc. I really appreciate it.

 

Where on the site is this? The dyno info that is

 

paul post some shots...lol

 

File sharing is one thing, my view is another. Call Intense or any other company for that matter and see if they give you the tune for free. Last time I checked it is $99.99 for a .bin file. I am offering a different and cheaper alternative, and especially for those cars that these companies do not offer tunes for. There are costs associated with this tuning, such as driving 150 miles to meet up with the only 2.4L's on this forum in my "area", etc.

I see nothing wrong with giving tunes away, and I see nothing wrong with charging for it. I have always been fair and reasonable with my pricing, and I have yet to hear someone complain. Nothing in life is free, you will pay for it in someway.

 

I still haven't had a chance to upload them onto my desktop, I gotta work on Marc's car tonight so I don't know if I"ll have time. Want to wait on that cause I wanted to try some new stuff first.

 

Is the stock CPU able to handle the tune for 2.0L LSJ injectors? I have heard that eventually it will eventually require a PCM upgrade.