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Old 08-18-2010 | 12:26 AM
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meth gains...

I know theres been posts about this before but im tired of lookin thru all the crap and not getting a good answer, so im posting this to see if any of u guys (2.4 or not) have seen a big difference after using Meth.
Beside it being a good cooling mod, what kinda power could i gain from it after...?
has anyone seen a difference in the dyno numbers maybe!?! If so what kit are u using
Old 08-18-2010 | 07:39 AM
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0, in fact you'd probably lose HP if you slapped a meth kit on a N/A motor. If you aren't running a forced induction setup there is no reason to run meth


on my Caliber SRT-4, running 50/50 meth allowed me to add 2psi and 2 degrees of timing, which netted 23whp - there is no direct HP gain from running meth, it just allows you to run more boost and timing due to cooler IATs and mimicking higher octane fuel
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0, in fact you'd probably lose HP if you slapped a meth kit on a N/A motor. If you aren't running a forced induction setup there is no reason to run meth
he is supercharged
Old 08-18-2010 | 10:22 AM
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0, in fact you'd probably lose HP if you slapped a meth kit on a N/A motor. If you aren't running a forced induction setup there is no reason to run meth


on my Caliber SRT-4, running 50/50 meth allowed me to add 2psi and 2 degrees of timing, which netted 23whp - there is no direct HP gain from running meth, it just allows you to run more boost and timing due to cooler IATs and mimicking higher octane fuel
no im boosted.. i was just saying as far as maybe down sizing pulley or doin timing changes, in the end how much hp did u gain from it
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fair enough - I wasn't sure given that it was posted in the LE5 section


for SC applications certainly the biggest benefit is going to be the cooling aspect, HP gains would be minimal. 10-15 if you can get away with 2 degrees more timing and another pound of boost
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Originally Posted by whodie
fair enough - I wasn't sure given that it was posted in the LE5 section


for SC applications certainly the biggest benefit is going to be the cooling aspect, HP gains would be minimal. 10-15 if you can get away with 2 degrees more timing and another pound of boost
i have been able to crank out like 8* more of timing advance on SC set-ups using a 80% meth 20% water mix
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Yea. I say you could gain some real power using a nice meth setup.
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no im boosted.. i was just saying as far as maybe down sizing pulley or doin timing changes, in the end how much hp did u gain from it
on my Caliber SRT-4, running 50/50 meth allowed me to add 2psi and 2 degrees of timing, which netted 23whp


-it was in my post you quoted
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i have been able to crank out like 8* more of timing advance on SC set-ups using a 80% meth 20% water mix
Yeah braulio was tellinme thts wht he ran. We should be dropping tht setup in mine hopefully this weekend
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I'll let ya know in a couple of weeks when I get mine installed. I got the alcohol injection system kit, only thing is I cant tell what kind of nozzle(gph) it came with.
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Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
i have been able to crank out like 8* more of timing advance on SC set-ups using a 80% meth 20% water mix
How much timing were you running before and after? 8 degrees is a **** ton
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How much timing were you running before and after? 8 degrees is a **** ton
17* of timing advance with no meth

25* of timing advance with meth on a 7gph nozzle
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eesh 25 degrees on pump gas + meth?
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eesh 25 degrees on pump gas + meth?
yep
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im running a 2.7 with a 7gph nozzle, and can only get about 20 with no knock. You guys must not have very dense air, or are a higher altitude
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im running a 2.7 with a 7gph nozzle, and can only get about 20 with no knock. You guys must not have very dense air, or are a higher altitude
tvs's on 3 inch pulleys making 21psi at sea level
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Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
tvs's on 3 inch pulleys making 21psi at sea level
gotcha so his iat's were alot cooler than mine
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gotcha so his iat's were alot cooler than mine
not that low. its rarely under 90* out here. IAT2 are normally 130 at cruising. at wot they can go up to 150-160
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Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
not that low. its rarely under 90* out here. IAT2 are normally 130 at cruising. at wot they can go up to 150-160
hmm thats weird thats about the same conditions here right now. im also only running a 50/50 mix, but i didnt notice a really sufficient amont of cooling on the iats so im may go up to a 80/20 mix to run more timing
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i'm running 2.6, 7gpm nozzle, H/E, dual pass, LS4, 3" intake, option B, and i'm running 23* of timing advance no knock no problems
meth mix is 50/50-60/40
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i have gm dual pass w opt B ZZP stage 3 he and a 7gph nozzle. Id like to see some logs from your tune
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hmm thats weird thats about the same conditions here right now. im also only running a 50/50 mix, but i didnt notice a really sufficient amont of cooling on the iats so im may go up to a 80/20 mix to run more timing
cooling from the meth kits are negligible IMO. it helps but barely. just up the meth content and throw some more timing at it
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Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
cooling from the meth kits are negligible IMO. it helps but barely. just up the meth content and throw some more timing at it
thats what i plan on doing. Now grant you alot of time was spent in tuning the VE table on the car which alot of people dont do, so when we got to tuning the MAF the car was major heat soaked that didnt help matters
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Originally Posted by zrated89
i have gm dual pass w opt B ZZP stage 3 he and a 7gph nozzle. Id like to see some logs from your tune
contact BYT he's the **** we could have put more timing he said but i said no still driving the car everyday right now
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Originally Posted by countrySS
contact BYT he's the **** we could have put more timing he said but i said no still driving the car everyday right now
what were your iats looking like at wot?


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