2.4L LE5 Performance Tech 16 valve 171 hp EcoTec with 163 lb-ft of torque

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Old 08-19-2013 | 02:06 AM
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So now I'm looking at engine longevity as well as performance. Now I'm ready to mod my own car. So here's what I'm thinking.

2.9" pulley
OTTP stg 1 heat exchanger
2.5" ZZP cat-back exhaust
80# injectors
E85 tune by HPT
Rebuilt M62
KY Stage 3 clutch

I think this will really make my car come alive and enjoyable. Of course this is my daily driver, so I'm not going hardcore with mods. But I would like to hit 265-280 whp.

If anyone has some better suggestions or tips please feel free to throw them at me!

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Old 08-19-2013 | 07:56 AM
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Pulley down...

Then get bored with the power

TVS...

Then get bored with the power

Turbo








but in all seriousness, your list looks fine. You'll only need 60's even if you wanna do E85. Here are my suggestions:

2.8" pulley
ZZP S3 heat exchanger
dual pass and option B
ZZP phenolic IM spacer
2.5" ZZP cat-back
Seimens 60s
New tune by HPT
KY Stage 2 clutch

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Old 08-19-2013 | 11:39 AM
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60s wont work on 2.8 if you're doing e85 imo. I'm already seeing 90+ IDC with 60s on a 2.9. And yes bored with the power its making lol. Thinking I wanna put some good pistons in it before I go for more power
Old 08-19-2013 | 12:14 PM
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I'm uncertain of the E85, I haven't done any research on it's pros and cons.

I've had a few people suggest a KY clutch so I will be trying to shop for one of those. I know I'll get bored with the power, but I'll be content.
Old 08-19-2013 | 12:19 PM
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pros - godmode
cons - runs out faster

I didn't care about the rest. lmao
Old 08-19-2013 | 12:27 PM
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I <3 e85
Old 08-19-2013 | 12:30 PM
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E85 has a higher octane rating which makes it less likely to knock than 93 octane would. BUT it has a lower energy content and takes more fuel to run properly. Hence why you need bigger injectors for it. The way it helps make more power is you can run quite a bit more timing and get away without knocking. Lower combustion temps also. Should see ~20hp gain? Maybe more.
Old 08-19-2013 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowbalt2000
E85 has a higher octane rating which makes it less likely to knock than 93 octane would. BUT it has a lower energy content and takes more fuel to run properly. Hence why you need bigger injectors for it. The way it helps make more power is you can run quite a bit more timing and get away without knocking. Lower combustion temps also. Should see ~20hp gain? Maybe more.
I felt what seemed like more than a 20hp gain from e85. But then again when I went e85 I switched from stock intake w/ mod to zzp 3 inch and I was on a ridiculously conservative tune. So I couldn't see "actual" results I guess. Before felt like around 220ish or so whp? Now im estimating 250? more than that I hope lol but yeah still got a conservative tune but not as bad as before.


oh and another pro - it smells nice
Old 08-19-2013 | 12:37 PM
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The gains could be more. Depends on mods and blah blah yeah. Ive never experienced it first hand but ive heard it smells terrible lol.
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The gains could be more. Depends on mods and blah blah yeah. Ive never experienced it first hand but ive heard it smells terrible lol.
not gonna lie in the beginning I hated it and was unsure if I could run it but....I love it now lmao
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The smell? Lol
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yeah the smell lol. I had to get used to it. now im just like mmmmmm haha. smells a lot better than gasoline with a catless dp
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+1 for smelling great, without a cat I love the smell my car makes. I can't tell if it's just in their heads but my friends say it smells like corn from behind when I do a pull.
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E85 smells great!

Get 80s for E85
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it smells like alcohol to me which is what it is..lol
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Originally Posted by Jacob4ta
I'm uncertain of the E85, I haven't done any research on it's pros and cons.

I've had a few people suggest a KY clutch so I will be trying to shop for one of those. I know I'll get bored with the power, but I'll be content.
being in california the available E85 should be much more abundant, we only have like 2 stations within 50 miles around here for E85 which is the reason why i never wanted to convert any of my vehicles over to it. It is however much harsher on your fuel system and seals compared to regular gasoline, and you do require much much more of it because it puts out less energy then gasoline does when burned, but it is much more stable then 110 race gas by comparison.
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
It is however much harsher on your fuel system and seals compared to regular gasoline, and you do require much much more of it because it puts out less energy then gasoline does when burned, but it is much more stable then 110 race gas by comparison.
This is not true. Either your fuel system is alcohol compatible or it isn't. It WILL NOT cause an alcohol compatible fuel system (ours) any harm even over extended periods of time.

You can also get very close to similar gas mileage with E85 if you tune the spark timing in cruise areas also, I get 29 mpg on E compared to 33 on gas previously.

What do you mean by stable?
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detonation stable, the limits of E85 are extremely high in comparison to gasoline, i was un-aware our car's were already setup for flex fuel though. The more you know.
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
detonation stable, the limits of E85 are extremely high in comparison to gasoline, i was un-aware our car's were already setup for flex fuel though. The more you know.
I think all newer cars theoretically could be tuned to run on E85 simply because even gas is still E10 or E15.
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E85 has a theoretical octane rating of what...127 i think?
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Lol this is starting to turn into a E love thread. I haven't said no to it, I just don't know enough about E85 to give a definitive answer.

As for good ole petrol, now that I understand.
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
detonation stable, the limits of E85 are extremely high in comparison to gasoline, i was un-aware our car's were already setup for flex fuel though. The more you know.
Are you just making things up? Stop spreading info that you don't know man it just gets people confused.

E85 is "less stable" than race gas (110) because of E's lower latent heat than gasoline, which causes pre ignition not detonation. E85 has about 97 octance rating, but it is debated. It's resistance to knock is approximately 85-90% of 110 race gas. The octane or "detonation resistance" is nowhere near 127 and is not as good as race gas.



Originally Posted by Jacob4ta
Lol this is starting to turn into a E love thread. I haven't said no to it, I just don't know enough about E85 to give a definitive answer.

As for good ole petrol, now that I understand.

Lol every thread where E gets brought up turns into a "I love E" thread.
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my information is probably just wrong from the v8 guys that tout it as the greatest thing ever. I know with methanol injection we were able to get anywhere from 97 to 116 octane "rating" depending on the concentration. I was always told E85 was higher, but race gas has come a long way. Chris millers FTW purple race fuel (oxygenated E85) produced significantly better results then E85 or VP race gas ever could.
Old 08-20-2013 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
my information is probably just wrong from the v8 guys that tout it as the greatest thing ever. I know with methanol injection we were able to get anywhere from 97 to 116 octane "rating" depending on the concentration. I was always told E85 was higher, but race gas has come a long way. Chris millers FTW purple race fuel (oxygenated E85) produced significantly better results then E85 or VP race gas ever could.
E85 has about a ~105 octane rating.
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