please help me understand...
#51
#53
A= Airbox Mod
I= Intake
H=Header
GMH=GMPP Or Other Than Stock Exhaust Manifold
E=Cat-back exhaust, cutout, axle back
T=Tuning
P=Underdrive Pulley
DS=Drag Slicks (Bias Ply, Some are DOT approved, that doesn't mean drive on the street with them.)
DR=Drag Radials (Radial tire, NOT BIAS PLY!)
ST=Street Tires (any tire that isn't special made for drag racing)
N2O=Nitrous
TK=Turbo Kit
0.0" Will specify pulley size for the SS/SC's
WI=Water/Meth Injection
PB= Ported Blower
GM= GM Stage 1
GM2=GM Stage 2
GM3=GM Stage 3
DP=Aftermarket Downpipe
CD=Cat Delete
CM=Cooling Mods: Aftermarket or 2cnd Heat Exchanger, Ice box, etc.
TB= Ported or aftermarket throttle body
PH= Ported or aftermarket head
IM= Ported,aftermarket, or better than stock intake manifold
C= Cams
BS= Blower Swap
WR=Weight Reduction
SM= Suspension mods
IC=Aftermarket Intercooler SS/TC
CP=Charge Piping SS/TC
BE=Bottom end work, more displacement
PM=Pill Mod SS/TC (Spikes Boost)
#54
Nothing I hate more than Dyno runs to try to prove a point...Horsey power on a graph is one thing -- times on a dragstrip are better representations -- but neither is good unless the cars are at the same dragstrip or the same dyno at the same time so there is no difference in temperature or humidity.
These times are from the dragstrip forum 1/8th mile first and 1/4 mile second:
1/8th mile:
LE5, STOCK, THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)UnLimiTed,10.07@69.41 w/2.27 60',coupe,5-speed,Timeslip Vid
LE5, MODDED, NATURALLY ASPIRATED
1.)Dunkinuts,9.59@74.33 w/2.26 60',coupe,5-speed,I/SM/ST Timeslip Video
2.)davekicksyourass, 9.614@74.62 w/2.225 60', sedan, Auto, I/E/H/DP/CD/T/SM/ST Timeslip VID
L61/LAP, STOCK, THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)cjlee07,10.59@67.58 w/2.42 60',coupe,manual Timeslip Pic
L61/LAP, MODDED, (NATURALLY ASPIRATED)
1.) dmoney8187, 9.661@72.78mph, w/2.252 60', coupe, manual, I/H/DP/E/TB/IM/T/WR/SM/ST Timeslip PIC
1/4 mile:
LE5, MODDED, NATURALLY ASPIRATED
1.) redssna,14.536@95.29 w/2.069 60',coupe, 5-speed, I/H/DP/E/T/SM/WR/DS VID Timeslip
2.) Dunkinuts,14.87@93.26 w/2.26 60',coupe,5-speed,I/SM/ST Timeslip Video
L61/LAP, MODDED, NATURALLY ASPIRATED
1.) removed it was an ION.
2.)dmoney8187, 14.788@93.65, w/2.259 60', coupe, manual, I/H/DP/E/TB/IM/T/WR/SM/ST Timeslip VID
Not that big of a difference...
These times are from the dragstrip forum 1/8th mile first and 1/4 mile second:
1/8th mile:
LE5, STOCK, THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)UnLimiTed,10.07@69.41 w/2.27 60',coupe,5-speed,Timeslip Vid
LE5, MODDED, NATURALLY ASPIRATED
1.)Dunkinuts,9.59@74.33 w/2.26 60',coupe,5-speed,I/SM/ST Timeslip Video
2.)davekicksyourass, 9.614@74.62 w/2.225 60', sedan, Auto, I/E/H/DP/CD/T/SM/ST Timeslip VID
L61/LAP, STOCK, THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)cjlee07,10.59@67.58 w/2.42 60',coupe,manual Timeslip Pic
L61/LAP, MODDED, (NATURALLY ASPIRATED)
1.) dmoney8187, 9.661@72.78mph, w/2.252 60', coupe, manual, I/H/DP/E/TB/IM/T/WR/SM/ST Timeslip PIC
1/4 mile:
LE5, MODDED, NATURALLY ASPIRATED
1.) redssna,14.536@95.29 w/2.069 60',coupe, 5-speed, I/H/DP/E/T/SM/WR/DS VID Timeslip
2.) Dunkinuts,14.87@93.26 w/2.26 60',coupe,5-speed,I/SM/ST Timeslip Video
L61/LAP, MODDED, NATURALLY ASPIRATED
1.) removed it was an ION.
2.)dmoney8187, 14.788@93.65, w/2.259 60', coupe, manual, I/H/DP/E/TB/IM/T/WR/SM/ST Timeslip VID
Not that big of a difference...
1/8 mile difference stock - 5 tenths
1/8 mile difference mod - less than a tenth but thats a fully bolted 2.2 against an intake only 2.4
1/4 mile difference stock - 2 1/2 tenths plus 2 miles per hour. But the 2.4 in the 2nd spot ran less than a tenth slower than a fully bolted 2.2 yet it only had an intake.
It is to also be noted that the 2.4 cars typically weigh more as well.
So take into account the 2.4s running will always have less mods than the 2.2s. Fully bolted the 2.2s can have an intake manifold a throttle body and cams over the 2.4.
Though if you want to compare im sure theres similar modded supercharged or turbocharged 2.2 vs 2.4s we can compare
Now this is all off topic. And honestly NA is fun. But if you want true power the 2.4s like boost.
#55
Looks like a pretty big difference to me!
1/8 mile difference stock - 5 tenths
1/8 mile difference mod - less than a tenth but thats a fully bolted 2.2 against an intake only 2.4
1/4 mile difference stock - 2 1/2 tenths plus 2 miles per hour. But the 2.4 in the 2nd spot ran less than a tenth slower than a fully bolted 2.2 yet it only had an intake.
It is to also be noted that the 2.4 cars typically weigh more as well.
So take into account the 2.4s running will always have less mods than the 2.2s. Fully bolted the 2.2s can have an intake manifold a throttle body and cams over the 2.4.
Though if you want to compare im sure theres similar modded supercharged or turbocharged 2.2 vs 2.4s we can compare
Now this is all off topic. And honestly NA is fun. But if you want true power the 2.4s like boost.
1/8 mile difference stock - 5 tenths
1/8 mile difference mod - less than a tenth but thats a fully bolted 2.2 against an intake only 2.4
1/4 mile difference stock - 2 1/2 tenths plus 2 miles per hour. But the 2.4 in the 2nd spot ran less than a tenth slower than a fully bolted 2.2 yet it only had an intake.
It is to also be noted that the 2.4 cars typically weigh more as well.
So take into account the 2.4s running will always have less mods than the 2.2s. Fully bolted the 2.2s can have an intake manifold a throttle body and cams over the 2.4.
Though if you want to compare im sure theres similar modded supercharged or turbocharged 2.2 vs 2.4s we can compare
Now this is all off topic. And honestly NA is fun. But if you want true power the 2.4s like boost.
#56
While you can point out the minor weight difference, the fact that the 2.4L benefits from exhaust improvements, CVVT (over the earlier 2.2s at least), larger TB, and for the automatic 2.4Ls -- better gearing (3.91:1 Vs 3.63:1), the "performance" increase wasn't worth the $7K difference in price (Base LS Vs Base SS/NA). Again, the times in the drag racing forum were "timed" at different locales and more-than-likely different temperatures. Would be nice to see a 2.2 and 2.4 car (with the same mods) go head-to-head at a dragstrip to get a better idea. I know that I would not have wanted to run my 07 SS/NA against my 06 LS -- the LS was quicker...and it did beat a stock 06 SS/NA in acceleration on the street...twice in a row!
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