breakthroughs with the LNF, nothing for the l61

 

who else can tune L61s? that right there is a breakthrough. look at how many parts are available for the L61 and you're trying to tell me these tuning companies don't see a market for tuning? i believe that its more or less that they CAN'T tune the L61.

even if ZZP found a way to tune them i still trust a man that worked for Microsoft over a bunch of mechanics.

just my common sense working there.

heres a quote from Trifecta's website.

"Prior to founding Trifecta Performance, Inc., Vince enjoyed an 11 year career at Microsoft as a senior manager in the Windows group."

can your friends over at ZZP say they've been working with computer subsystems for 11 years?

for tuning concerns Trifecta > ZZP

for everything else there's mastercard.

 

naw...there's no market for it. go look in my thread in the 2.2 section...less than 40 people... and you know how polls on CSS go. 50 say they want it and are willing to pay, only 25 actually carry through with it
I will say though, ZZP is where its at in mechanical components. They dont write software, they just write tunes..very different thing. Vince does the software writing (and tuning)

 

Sub'd for later info

 

well wasn't there news somewhere that Trifecta might market the software so we can tune ourselves?

i'd buy it. and from the sounds of it vince's system is already fairly simple so it's not like he'd have to do much modification to make it marketable and therefore profitable in almost every sense.

if he can produce a self tuning software without having to spend too much time modifying it to work with no0bs then i'd say he should do it. instead of having us wait for months for some tuning software to never hit the market.

i for one would love to be able to tune my own L61.

 

its not illegal...why would you fail the visual? other cobalts are supercharged. my only question is: will it pass smog. i e-mailed ZZP about it and they told me that the kit WILL pass smog. i'm gonna get it. heres the e-mail:

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-----Original Message-----
From: kXXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:53 PM
To: Customer Service
Subject: 2.2 / 2.4l Cobalt super charger kit

i read of your web site that you have have a super charger kit coming
out for the 2.4L cobalt. if this is true, will it work for my 08 2.4l
sport? and the most important question for me, will it be Smog legal in
California? as long as it can pass smog, i'll buy it. this is my daily
driver and i need to be able to smog it.

thanks

 

oh no, i agree he should release it...im just saying major companies like HPT dont have the incentive because the market is so small when they can insteadunlock tables for a larger market like the mustang GT crowd, etc.

There's a reason I made that thread you know...lol

 

how much hp will u get out of it?

 

You will probally be pushing out 200-210hp is my guess. Higher displacement then the 2.0 SC but the 2.0 was made with the SC and built to handle it.

 

higher CR and displacement means the L61 will make more power mod for mod than the LSJ. Nothing in the LSJ adds performance over the L61...only longevity.

 

Good to know. Thanks for the info!

 

Everyone hoping to get this kit for 1500 is a little crazy in the head. That's around the price range if you bought all the parts used. I'm assuming the parts in the kit will all be new, and I'd expect the price to be between 2500-3000

 

mustve skipped this post:
adjusting ignition timing more than +-3° is illegal. Your tune required to run this kit will alter ignition tming more than the allotted amount. Also, this kit has not been CARB certified, and as such, should fail a smog test upon visual inspection, as it modifies parts that help create/prevent emissions.

The real question is, will your smog shop know/care?

 

We took the dremel to the sheet metal where the pulley was hitting. Cut out a nice square. I have an auto, so the engine is a little more forward than the manuals.

Yeah, you will not pass smog if you supercharge your car. But luckly, there's a rule where if you get a new car that's model year is after 2004, then you don't have to have your car smoged until 6 years after the model year.

 

honestly, the shop i go to i don't remember ever looked or made a comment about any of my previous cars. just open the hood, put sensor in tail pipe, and drive. didnt take more than 5 - 10mins.

again, this is my daily driver so i can't have it fail smog or be illegal. so i may have to skip it. i know my vehicle is an 08, so i wont have to smog for another 2 -4 years, but what after that???

 

Sell it and buy something else. Then it's someone else's problem!

 

so you had to cut into your hood?

would a 2.2 auto have the same problems?

 

No, he cut into his radiator support crossmember (it runs across the front of the car behind the grill/headlights).

I didn't cut into mine, but I did use my Persuader to ask it to kindly vacate the space where my 3" pulley would go.

Here's a picture of my Persuader:


And yes, you will have some fitment problems. All Autos have their engines clocked forward slightly, leaving less clearance for the supercharger pulley. Getting the SC onto the manifold is also a whole other bag of funions.

 

Yes you do get more power from a turbo than a supercharger, especially on a 4 banger :P

Pro's to the s/c as opposed to the turbo.. insta-boost :P Theres no lag with a SC, but with a tc, there is lag.

With a sc if im not mistaken there is more maintenance, and after 30 000 km it might be time to get a new blower...

subbed btw.

and a question of my own...

on a 2.4 L sc, what is the approx. boost range you think we would be able to hit without risking damage? 8-10 psi?

 

You hit ~12 PSI with a 3" pulley (GM Stage II) and several members have proven that the trannies are almost ALWAYS the first things to go.

You can thank GM for dropping forged connecting rods in the LE5.

 

In my 2.2 I am running 15-16lbs of boost on 2.9 pulley.

 

The supercharger has no scheduled maintenance throughout the life of the blower. Some think it's wise to change the SC oil out every 100,000miles though. Turbos are a lot more maintenance prone, as they need rebuilds from time to time (im no turbo guru though, so IDK how often)

on a 2.4, I think you can go up to low/mid 300's in WHP. IDK what boost that will require...maybe 17psi or something?

 

From what I've read, you can't run 12 psi without some supporting mods that were listed in one of the threads. I'm running a 2.9 and I max out at 12 psi.

And for fitment, I don't have much of a problem putting the sc on and taking it off. The only problem I have is with my intake and the abs wires in front of the ecu/fuse box

 

can you put a blower from2.0 on a2.2 cobalt

 

yes.