2.4L LE5 Performance Tech 16 valve 171 hp EcoTec with 163 lb-ft of torque

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Old 08-07-2013 | 12:42 AM
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Set some goals for your car. Like 250 whp and like 26 mpg+. That will narrow down want vs need a lot.
Old 08-07-2013 | 12:49 AM
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I wouldn't do it, not worth all the problems that comes with it IMO. Especially if your looking for it to be a reliable daily.
Old 08-07-2013 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ranviper
Well, it's my daily driver, about 40 miles to work and another 40 back (yeah I know...ugh) - so I want reliability, but I also don't wanna sink 6-7k into it, because with 6 or 7k I'd be making a down payment on an evo IIX. lol. But, I can see 3.5k or even 4k to get some boost behind the pedals, cuz as much as I love my car, we all know the na just isn't fast. lol.

I want reliable, relatively inexpensive, boosted fun for my daily driver.
mmm ive been down this road before. The argument can be made that a turbo car can be just as reliable as a NA or supercharged car, but IMO i havent seen it to date. The "average" lifespan of most factory turbo's are between 50-75k miles, ive rarely seen one last above 100k. When a car isnt turbo from a factory, there are numerous complexity's in tuning that need to be considered for daily use. Adding components for a turbo increases the amount of points for failure on the car, repeated abuse just aggravates this even more. If you dont have a second vehicle to use when something happens, it makes it even WORSE.

IMO if you really MUST have boost i think a supercharger kit will be a whole lot more reliable with far less headaches in the long run, but thats me. Hell im not even pushing it that far, im doing an intake, header, downpipe, and throttle body on my 2.4 along with a tune and that's it. I dont have neither the time, funds, or patience to have my daily driver down for the count when something breaks from me modding the hell out of it.

Honda's are easy, you can have the motor's out in under an hour and parts are a dime a dozen, cobalts on the other hand. Little more complex of a procedure.
Old 08-07-2013 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ranviper
Well, it's my daily driver, about 40 miles to work and another 40 back (yeah I know...ugh) - so I want reliability, but I also don't wanna sink 6-7k into it, because with 6 or 7k I'd be making a down payment on an evo IIX. lol. But, I can see 3.5k or even 4k to get some boost behind the pedals, cuz as much as I love my car, we all know the na just isn't fast. lol.

I want reliable, relatively inexpensive, boosted fun for my daily driver.

After selling a couple of my NA parts, I spent less than $2000 on my build. This includes clutch, a couple extra parts I didn't need but wanted. I also got the satisfaction from making a lot of my own parts. The absolute best part was that very first pull on 10psi, that's when I knew it was time and money well spent.
Old 08-07-2013 | 07:48 AM
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This is such a fun thread to read right now. lol. Getting myself all excited.

Yeah, it's a tough decision, and I truly think that SC is going to be a good bit cheaper, and for the MOST part more reliable. I still want decent gas and around the 300 mark for HP, give or take 15-20 hp. Like I said, just want to peppy up the ol' NA a bit.

Noorj, I also see your point, and I think you have probably just done a real good job, combined with a bit of love, care, and honest luck, and thus haven't had any real issues. Time will continue to tell. I do love your build tho. =)
Old 08-07-2013 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ranviper
Well, it's my daily driver, about 40 miles to work and another 40 back (yeah I know...ugh) - so I want reliability, but I also don't wanna sink 6-7k into it, because with 6 or 7k I'd be making a down payment on an evo IIX. lol. But, I can see 3.5k or even 4k to get some boost behind the pedals, cuz as much as I love my car, we all know the na just isn't fast. lol.

I want reliable, relatively inexpensive, boosted fun for my daily driver.
Supercharger. $800 kit from Mongo, tune, g2g.
Old 08-07-2013 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by noorjariri
I was speaking solely in reference to our application. These motors can really only handle about 15psi max in stock form, and no turbo has a surge line that low. ZZP's kit starts at 7-8 psi and can easily be turned up from there.

And where these motors sit on any compressor map, boost=power
No. Certain turbos flow more or less air at 15 psi.
Anyways, I'm running a to4e 60 trim at 20psi and I'm right under 400hp. Lsj internals are good till 425-450
All depends how you drive too
Old 08-07-2013 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ranviper
This is such a fun thread to read right now. lol. Getting myself all excited.

Yeah, it's a tough decision, and I truly think that SC is going to be a good bit cheaper, and for the MOST part more reliable. I still want decent gas and around the 300 mark for HP, give or take 15-20 hp. Like I said, just want to peppy up the ol' NA a bit.

Noorj, I also see your point, and I think you have probably just done a real good job, combined with a bit of love, care, and honest luck, and thus haven't had any real issues. Time will continue to tell. I do love your build tho. =)
Thanks man. It just takes time, and patience to wait for good deals to come up. I probably spend a solid 2 months just buying stuff because I took my time and waited for the best deals possible.

But the SC will certainly be more reliable because of how much less power you would make. Honestly hitting over 250whp will cost way more than going turbo and hitting 300whp reliably. If your fine with mid to lower 200's go sc but if you truly want 300wheel turbo is by far the best option.
Old 08-07-2013 | 03:24 PM
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All good stuff. I'm going to see what sort of kits I can piece together, do some math, and make a decision. 1500 bucks for a pieced together sc kit sounds real good, allowing me to save cash towards an evo or wrx sometime. But we shall see.
Old 08-07-2013 | 08:08 PM
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Supercharge it and you'll soon want more !

2.4's can easily handle 300 daily driven.
Old 08-07-2013 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherry GT
Supercharge it and you'll soon want more !

2.4's can easily handle 300 daily driven.
This here is a fact. I will always want MOAR POWAH!
Old 08-07-2013 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Gelladuga69
Supercharger. $800 kit from Mongo, tune, g2g.
Mongo?
Old 08-08-2013 | 12:26 AM
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Mongorat427 A user who is currently selling two close to complete kits (or was if any sold).
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/part...eanout-300718/
Old 08-08-2013 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by andrewcarr1993
Mongorat427 A user who is currently selling two close to complete kits (or was if any sold).
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/part...eanout-300718/
Oh freaking snap!

Wish I was buying like - this month. Boo, I won't be officially "in the market" for another 6-12 months.
Old 08-08-2013 | 11:33 PM
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Hes a great seller!
Old 08-08-2013 | 11:49 PM
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He could probably scrounge one together even then. He has far too many parts.
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