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05-22-2013, 11:48 PM
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i think you missed the point of what my message was.... it has nothing to do with no2....... maybe when you come home we may continue this......
btw so is turbo converting a supercharged car.......... THE EASY WAY OUT!!!!!
btw so is turbo converting a supercharged car.......... THE EASY WAY OUT!!!!!
05-23-2013, 12:04 AM
just kidding. nitrous is fun and all. people call it a ricer thing, they obviously haven't been to a promod race. people say it's the only way to go, they just prefer it over a turbo or nice blower car. everyone is going to hate one thing and love something else, it's how life works haha. i'll probably end up using a 100 shot at the end of 3rd and in to 4th or just 4th when i run the ams1000. 400whp on launch, 800 down track. it's just all in how you want your car to perform.
05-23-2013, 12:07 AM
sorry one more point.
as far as "the easy way out" on the cobalts. sure you can make 300 peak whp on the m62. sure you can make 375 peak whp on a built engine tvs. but you ditch that and put a turbo on it. 430+whp on a stock longblock and while that is a peak number, you can carry 380whp out through the ENTIRE powerband. while they are fun, and meet majority of people's power goals.. small displacement engines just can't take advantage of a supercharger.
as far as "the easy way out" on the cobalts. sure you can make 300 peak whp on the m62. sure you can make 375 peak whp on a built engine tvs. but you ditch that and put a turbo on it. 430+whp on a stock longblock and while that is a peak number, you can carry 380whp out through the ENTIRE powerband. while they are fun, and meet majority of people's power goals.. small displacement engines just can't take advantage of a supercharger.
05-23-2013, 12:10 AM
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well if you think running no2 is the easy way out your sadly mistaken..... everytime i hit that button i could kiss a motor goodbye...... seems like you never thought of that..... but your right i dont deserve respect by taking those risks, when others wouldnt even risk their floor mat to a soiled shoe..... you wanna continue this? we can continue it when you get back...... look man its simple, we dont see eye to eye on some subjects and turbo converting is one of those subject..... the bottom line is running no2 is alot more risky then running a snail...... so lets put some big boy pants on and see whos right..... i bet 1000 dollars i would blow my motor before you...... specially with a 100+shot, coz like you i always go big.....
the respect thing is all about doing 4 hrs jobs for people on my time for chump change...... just so they can disrespect me.......... seems to me i been very reasonable to my peers..... like i said i dont forget......
the respect thing is all about doing 4 hrs jobs for people on my time for chump change...... just so they can disrespect me.......... seems to me i been very reasonable to my peers..... like i said i dont forget......
05-23-2013, 12:18 AM
(i know you're talking to jon) but each turbo/blower/nitrous aspect is unsafe. they each have their faults. just as easy as a nitrous solenoid could fail and dump nitrous. a wastegate could fail to open and load up the cylinders with boost. a blower belt could snap and send the rpms through the roof. it's hard to put a "this will happen first" when talking about engines.
05-23-2013, 12:43 AM
Leave Mr.Nelson out of this! Lol
I have 1 simple question that requires one simple one word answer: which takes longer to plan for, nitrous or a turbo? And mind you, these would be on street drivable cars. Not drag cars or anything like that
I have 1 simple question that requires one simple one word answer: which takes longer to plan for, nitrous or a turbo? And mind you, these would be on street drivable cars. Not drag cars or anything like that
05-23-2013, 01:04 AM
you could go with a very simple turbo setup. wastegate and bov. no boost controller. log manifold. stock intake manifold.
you could go with a simple nitrous setup on a button. run the lines and solenoid.
you could add a boost controller to the turbo. you could run a window switch on the nitrous.
you could add a bottle heater to the nitrous. you could add a dual stage controller to the turbo.
you could add a stronger intake manifold to either.
you could run the ams1000 on the turbo. you could run a dedenbear multistage controller to the nitrous.
you could switch to a divided turbo running two gates. you could go to a direct port setup on the nitrous.
see what i'm doin here? lol
you could go with a simple nitrous setup on a button. run the lines and solenoid.
you could add a boost controller to the turbo. you could run a window switch on the nitrous.
you could add a bottle heater to the nitrous. you could add a dual stage controller to the turbo.
you could add a stronger intake manifold to either.
you could run the ams1000 on the turbo. you could run a dedenbear multistage controller to the nitrous.
you could switch to a divided turbo running two gates. you could go to a direct port setup on the nitrous.
see what i'm doin here? lol
05-23-2013, 07:02 AM
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jon think about it......... 1 you have to build the motor for both...... 2 there is various wiring, tubing, lines to run in both set ups...... 3 while you benefit from something that flows more air im still stuck with the same qualities as a m62(**** for air flow)....... 4 they both require completely different tunes....
im sorry but your just wrong.......
im sorry but your just wrong.......
05-23-2013, 09:12 AM
It all depends on your goals and your definition of "taking advantage". Look at Infraredline. He trapped 119mph with his TVS car with a stock motor and ported head. Not to mention the videos he continuously sends me of taking down turbo'd S2000's, Modded Cobra's ect. Theres power to be had using a supercharger. Sometimes it's fun being the underdog.
Line up a 430whp turbo Balt and a 380whp supercharged Balt. Betcha it would be a lot closer of a race than you think.
Line up a 430whp turbo Balt and a 380whp supercharged Balt. Betcha it would be a lot closer of a race than you think.
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05-23-2013, 09:52 AM
I'm not talking about building motors. I'm talking about which is easier to do on a stock motor. Nitrous would take 1 day to install on a car and you don't need to tune for it. A turbo would take a better part of a weekend if you had the right tools and space plus you need a completely different tune and triple the equipment. Also it isn't as easily available from every performance shop in every city like nitrous.
You can still say I'm wrong or nickle and dime it by breaking it down to this part or that part but when it's down to the basics like i stated, Nitrous is 10 times easier to put on, get a hold of and run than a turbo setup
on that note I bid you adeu....
And Ex, were you drunk when you posted your comments??
You can still say I'm wrong or nickle and dime it by breaking it down to this part or that part but when it's down to the basics like i stated, Nitrous is 10 times easier to put on, get a hold of and run than a turbo setup
on that note I bid you adeu....
And Ex, were you drunk when you posted your comments??
05-23-2013, 09:58 AM
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i think it just goes to prove my point about respect...... no matter what i do nor how i build something, i dont even get respect from my own best friend..... its funny jon coz i could have built my car as the twin to yours, and yet you would find a way to find its short comings..... i can help build every members car in calgary, i can be the most generous guy in the world and all you guys want to do is **** on me..... you know what i have massive shoulders and i take alot of crap, but you all wear me out..... in 2 short years you all made my passion into my nightmare......
i will be seriously reconcidering my involvement in this car scene over the next few weeks....
BTW you need to retune its called gm stage 3.... your just being a ass....
i will be seriously reconcidering my involvement in this car scene over the next few weeks....
BTW you need to retune its called gm stage 3.... your just being a ass....
05-23-2013, 10:20 AM
Whoa whoa I think you're taking what Jon is saying in the wrong context. Hes not bashing you or your car at all. It's just a matter of preference how he and you like to make power.
05-23-2013, 10:27 AM
you're taking a debate about modding a little too seriously mark. I was not bashing you or your car or how you mod your car. I'm just stating my point about nitrous vs turbocharging a car. There is nothing personal about this conversation, it's just a generalization about both of them.
I find short comings in my own vehicles more than anyone else's. I'd rather find them in my own vehicle before someone else does and I'm usually ok with what i find because you can't have the best of both worlds in a car. Unless you have tons of money which i don't! lol
I find short comings in my own vehicles more than anyone else's. I'd rather find them in my own vehicle before someone else does and I'm usually ok with what i find because you can't have the best of both worlds in a car. Unless you have tons of money which i don't! lol
05-23-2013, 11:02 AM
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no your getting me completely wrong.... our friendship is never in doubt..... the other guys well that completely depends on their attitudes towards me.... thats where my comments fall under reconsidering my involvement.... i am not someone a person uses to get what he needs then to be treated like a piece of ****......
you fail to see how wrong you are in this topic..... small example for you..... sammy has achieved 900whp on pump gas on his 68 satty..... are you telling me if he hooked up a 100 or 200 shot of no2 he is cheating? you dont get it man..... its not cheating at all..... he already achieved his power goal on a na motor..... the no2 is there just for ***** and giggles..... now if i built a 300 hp m62 lsj, it seems to me i have reached my max potiential..... now there are not many lnf's that can contain a 300 whp m62 lsj..... that alone commands respect..... to be honest im only a half step behind as it is with simple bolt ups.... the no2 is for ***** and giggles to contain the rest....... i think you just need to open your eyes and know there is more then one way to achieve what a person wants......
you fail to see how wrong you are in this topic..... small example for you..... sammy has achieved 900whp on pump gas on his 68 satty..... are you telling me if he hooked up a 100 or 200 shot of no2 he is cheating? you dont get it man..... its not cheating at all..... he already achieved his power goal on a na motor..... the no2 is there just for ***** and giggles..... now if i built a 300 hp m62 lsj, it seems to me i have reached my max potiential..... now there are not many lnf's that can contain a 300 whp m62 lsj..... that alone commands respect..... to be honest im only a half step behind as it is with simple bolt ups.... the no2 is for ***** and giggles to contain the rest....... i think you just need to open your eyes and know there is more then one way to achieve what a person wants......
05-23-2013, 11:33 AM
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it would have to be a fully built motor with port and polished head and blower..... 3 inch intake and exhaust... maybe a small prayer to the man upstairs.....
regardless thats more work in a car then most people here.....
regardless thats more work in a car then most people here.....
05-23-2013, 11:38 AM
You change your story too much man! Lol
Before you were talking about hitting 300 with nitrous, now nitrous is just for fun after you hit 300?? Lol
I'm getting confused here
Also, bringing up the past doesn't do much good here. It doesn't have relevance to the conversation participants! Lol
Before you were talking about hitting 300 with nitrous, now nitrous is just for fun after you hit 300?? Lol
I'm getting confused here
Also, bringing up the past doesn't do much good here. It doesn't have relevance to the conversation participants! Lol
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05-23-2013, 11:46 AM
I was talking to Lsjion about porting an m62 and he says that armmlure (or whatever it is) has a cnc pattern that has made significant gains when done coupled with a ported head. I would say you're going to need a ported intake manifold if you want the air to flow the same from the ported supercharger to the ported head
05-23-2013, 11:49 AM
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hey if im am almost there why would i need no2? use the melon...... we all know what my plan is, it has never changed..... im the only guy in calgary considering a full build on a m62..... maybe you need a vaca..... im am tired of repeating myself jon, i mentioned already about pnp the head and blower....
maybe your right about the past....... maybe they should not expect me to do a thing for them.... im just saying the last time someone **** on my friend's head i stood beside him and said fu.... not once has anyone done this for me.... just saying...............
maybe your right about the past....... maybe they should not expect me to do a thing for them.... im just saying the last time someone **** on my friend's head i stood beside him and said fu.... not once has anyone done this for me.... just saying...............