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Old 10-30-2008, 04:14 PM
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actualy, it is very much still 4t65e. the planetaries are stock units from a gxp grand prix (5.3l), the case, valve body, diff cover, ect. yes there are a lot of aftermarket parts in it. a powerglide you find in a race car is less like the original than a 4t65e race tranny is to the oem unit.
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Originally Posted by Sharkey
actualy, it is very much still 4t65e. the planetaries are stock units from a gxp grand prix (5.3l), the case, valve body, diff cover, ect. yes there are a lot of aftermarket parts in it. a powerglide you find in a race car is less like the original than a 4t65e race tranny is to the oem unit.
EDIT: i misunderstood. they use the stock case? im suprised they dont make a stronger one for it... after that point, my knowledge of auto trannies' innards is limited
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Originally Posted by Sharkey
the planetaries are stock units from a gxp grand prix (5.3l),.....
Exactly, the planetary gear, the 2nd gear clutch/plates and I think two of the sprag clutches are the only stock parts, everything else is either removed, rendered inoperative, replaced with race only stuff or modified to the point where it no longer interchanges with stock.



Lets not forget you cant really just go ahead and build one of these on your own, GMR hasnt even released the full build procedure and specs to my knowledge. You need to deal with Hydramatic and GMR to get your hands on one.
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thats what he's saying. Hes saying since his friends GTP's 4t65 can take the 650hp that his friend is throwing at it, he wants one too.
Yep.
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Well he quoted my post where i was discussing the capabilities of the f23 AND 4t45, and he said "my buddy dyno'd with that trans" Hence my confusion.
Sorry bout that, I was also refering to him being on the stock trans. all he has done was stiffen the shifts with HPT and adjust his shift points because he has a 7500 redline.

Last time we went to the track together he was spinning his way to 12.7's and couldnt catch traction on only 9 psi.
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^^ while at the end of the day, the 4t65 will take more power than the 4t45, its still probably cheaper to build your 4t45 to take 600hp than it is to swap to a 4t65. if you plan on more than 700hp or so, then i guess you might wanna look into a tranny swap
Old 11-05-2008, 11:11 AM
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me and my friend who is helping me do my turbo build, talked to the GM certification class teacher/ professor and he said the 4t45e will be able to take whatever punishment I dish out at it.
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well...i say this. 4t45 rated at 325 ft lbs is a pretty nice rating. Also when you consider the F35 is rated at what it is when theres still several DD 400+ WHP cobalts using stock tranny/clutch. This means GM probably left a lot of cushioning between the rated power level and the power level point of failure. Hwever...i personally dont like to use the though process of "they probably left a safety margin" with my only car...
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^^^ I agree with that, I have a truck but it will suck me dry on gas
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I was just looking into this because of fuel mileage and a shorter first and 2nd gear would be nice for take offs.... im looking to push 200-205 at the crank (170 180 whp) with my boltons and future tune so no need for my trans to be good for 500 hp just looking for better fuel economy.... but sounds like it would be waaayyy more involved and un cost effective than what would be worth it.... btw im getting like 24.2 combined mileage which seems pretty shitty imo.... anybody else getting similar fuel mileage or could there be something wrong.... i dont have that heavy of a foot.... and cruise 75-80 on freeway
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Holy thread revival batman!


Just thought i would see if there is anything more that anyone has done with the 4t65 in the cobalt...

The 4t45e will not hold CLOSE to 400WTQ... Just thought I would update that at least.


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And we still come back to the whole WHY do you need a 4T65???

Is it to be unique. OK.

Do you think you NEED it? the 4T45 when built can EASILY handle 400hp, and F23s if not abused have held up to well in excess of 500hp.
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Mines still going strong but im probably only around 250whp or a lil more
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Yup mine seems to keep breaking in the 350WTQ range
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Originally Posted by Tundraboarder666
Holy thread revival batman!


Just thought i would see if there is anything more that anyone has done with the 4t65 in the cobalt...

The 4t45e will not hold CLOSE to 400WTQ... Just thought I would update that at least.
It does say in the quote "built 4t45e", not sure but I think a built one would hold 400ish
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I've had 3 built... Guess how many still function properly....
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Originally Posted by Tundraboarder666
I've had 3 built... Guess how many still function properly....
1/2 of one? Lol, I had no data to make an argument on, was more of an assumption
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Lol..
Yeah none.
Hence why I'm looking for another option for my car...
Old 06-19-2012, 05:15 PM
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Any commonality between those 3 failures? I'll be doing ZZPs tranny next year but 350/300 is likely the best I'll ever squeeze out of a SC setup so I figure i'm safe.
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Have you tried ZZPs? I asked if it holds 350whp and they said it would be fine.

What keeps breaking?
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Yeah, Id love to know what your failures were, are they repetitive? What mods were done to your trans? How is your trans tune?
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im also interested in knowing whats going on with it. is it driving through the clutches, or is is a parts breakage?
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Clutch plates keep getting welded together leaving me with only 3rd 4th and lock up. Always the 2 to 3 shift that it happens on... IPT told me that it would support up to 500WTQ and they said that I must be way over 500WTQ if I'm breaking them in one run.
I sent my trans for them to build and they did just that... Now they won't warranty it, bunch of ******** over at IPT.
4T40E | 4T45E | Performance Transmission
I've also got a trans cooler on it too.
Trans tune is good, all done by SCcobaltSS.
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What is "good"? did you ask IPT for recommendations on line pressures? shift times?
Is your fluid level proper? are you using the fluid they recommend?
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I used dex 6 in my first 3 trans (not built by IPT) Then in my 4th one I had synthetic Mobil one.
IPT wouldn't recommend me anything as far as tuning it... I believe the quote Tyler from IPT said was 'tuning it is fine, it will take whatever you can throw at it because we've never had one of these come back before." Fluid level was good on them, pretty easy to check.
I'd have to get the tune in order to see what exactly line pressure and shift times are...
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Interesting...sounds like you shouldnt be over 500 wtq
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Haha, yeah no where near it. around 350WTQ


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