I'm goin with the dual mass flywheel setup. Is the new pressure included with everything for $2k?

 

The kit comes with a pressure plate. See my above post. It comes with everything. Unless you meant a different one than the kit comes with.

Here is pretty much everything that is included in the kit. I don't think I missed anything.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...ml#post7233639

 

If you read the alll the info and specs in ZZP site about the kit, it's really not clear what it comes with or if you even have the option to pick a different clutch setup. Are u on the fidanza or dual mass?

 

I'm on the dual mass that comes with the kit. I don't think its an available option in the drop down menus to upgrade clutches, but I'm sure they could switch you over to something else if you asked them, it would just cost more I'm sure. I picked up the Fidanza flywheel/SB Stage 4 kit for the F40 on black Friday this past weekend. Mine has never slipped, but just to be safe I thought I'd get it now and put it on the shelf if mine decides to go since I'm sure its not rated for what I'm throwing at it.

 

I am skeptical about the fidanza setup. I've read there is vibrations when not using a dual mass which isn't good for the trans syncros based on what I've seen. I've read similar cases about this on g6 forums, saab forums, as well as fiero forums. The fiero guys like to use the 3800 SC swap with g6 f40 or an Ecotec style with the f40 type we use. There is one particular g6 f40 syncro failure on the fiero forum and he wasn't using a dual mass. I was messaging him and he thinks his flywheel choice may have been the culprit. Just something to think about.

 

I have read about syncro issues on the Getrag the SVT focus uses from not using a dual mass as well...

 

The main thing is there is some chatter at idle due to less dampening. I'm sure there may be more vibrations, but I don't know if there is an available clutch setup to run on the dual mass flywheel that will hold up as well as what you can run on the F40 Fidanza. Mine has held up so far, but I have never launched the car, and I plan to track the car a couple times next year, along with a whole lot more runs like this year and probably some higher boost. The guys running big power have been using the Fidanza/SB S4 combo and a few of them have been holding up for a couple years. I don't think mine will last that long just because it is not rated near as high and the pressure plate has less clamping force. Tim at ZZP was impressed that it was still holding up with no issues, but I also have a driving style that is easy on my clutch during normal driving. I'll run it until it slips and then swap out.

 

Hmmm, so the SVT trans is a 3-shaft design also?

 

Wonder if we could interest KY or the like into producing a stronger clutch and or race clutch for the f40.

 

yea

can almost promise you they would do it.
i just talked to them last night.
they are calling me today. I will ask for you.

 

South Bend makes one, just to be paired with the Fidanza. Mine just showed up yesterday. There may be one out there that bolts to the dual mass flywheel, I haven't really looked into it.

 

Sweet, that would be great! I figured KY would be the ones to ask.

I looked into it briefly last night. There is a company call Black Diamond who makes stages for the saab f40 stock dual mass setup. Spec does have stage clutches too but it says they are only compatible with saab 9-3 F40 cars (again, stock dual mass), but only up to 2005. Wonder if they would fit the later models. I will call them today.

 

Ooooo looky looky what I found. Looks like you can upgrade the pressure plate without having to buy a disc. Just another option.

Abbott Racing - New 9-3 Hi-Pressure Clutch Plate

 

YUP! Spec makes clutches for the F40 using dual mass flywheel to hold power all the up to 750 TQ!

 

I decided to give Chris @ KY clutch a call. He said he could make a clutch for the f40 no problem. Due to the dampening effect of the dual mass flywheel, I'm having them make the clutch disc solid/UNsprung. He also said the pressure plates they use and the stock f40 pressure plate are identical with the exception of the ky pressure plate being sprung stiffer.

I would have a larger variety of clutches to choose from if I didn't use the dual mass flywheel setup, but I believe the absence of a dual mass flywheel will cause problems, not to mention the annoying trans gear rattling at idle. Spec makes clutches but with their reputation for our clutches and f40 clutches, I dont want to take the chance.

 

F40 conversion still not available unfortunatley. So, the inevitable happened. I broke the 4.05.



I needed a strong trans to hold me over until f40 conversion is ready, so I tried my hand at a 4.45 build. I think it turned out pretty good. Had to make my own tools which I expected. Also fabbed up a better pinion brace. Strengthend the case in a couple other areas too. Must say, the 4.45 is fun to drive. Its almost like a 3rd gear 40 roll may actually be faster than if it was a 2nd gear 40 roll.

Nameplate mod just for ***** and grins

 

love the nameplate lmao ... i want this when your done with it lol

 

For sure, you will be the first to know.

 

I remember those days

And sometimes I miss them. Then I hit the button

 

OK I'm dumb...not sure what button you are referring to

 

Nos, breh!

 

Nooooo monnniicaaaaa !!!!

 

Lol. Makes my s360et spool like a 252.

 

Nice. What's your engine setup?

 

190k stock bottom end. Mild head port, 82's, back on stock cams for now.
Aux chain delete and elec water pump.