krazycobalt

What is the difference between these two mounts. (1)One is just inserts and the bushing and the other (2) is billet and the inset? like what is the difference? Which one should I go with?
Here are the links, take a look and let me know the difference:
(1)http://www.turbotechracing.com/produ...dcategory=5615
(2)http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=526&catid=146

Black SS/SC 06

iTrader: (6)

Neither, get these: http://www.ottperformance.com/Cobalt...duct_info.html

krazycobalt

That looks ******* confusing.... So what is better about those than the ones I posted?

USMCFieldMP

iTrader: (1)

Nothing is better about the ones that you posted. They both suck. The ZZP ones just come with a pretty billet mount... the TTR ones are just the inserts. Both will vibrate you all to hell.

Buy the rotated mounts from OTTP. They serve a purpose... read the build book if you don't believe me.

krazycobalt

Okay well that cool that ****, I guess thats why we have a forum haha. So I dont really understand these from OTT can someone explain?

USMCFieldMP

iTrader: (1)

What is it that you don't understand?

On a regular SS/SC Trans mount... the hole for the bolt is right in the middle. On OTTP's rotated mounts, the hole is in a very specific spot, designed to rotate the motor, which in turn move the positioning/angle of the axles, eliminating wheel hop - and the majority of axle problems, etc etc etc.

There... that is a dumbified down version without all the technical jargon.

krazycobalt

Thanks dude so all in all these are a **** load better then buy plain poly inserts? So am I right in assuming that you either need to send you mount in or buy a whole new one?

USMCFieldMP

iTrader: (1)

Yes... it looks like they have a Core Charge system going on.

So you either:

a.) Order the mounts paying core charge, receive them, install, send in your stockers, receive core charge back.

or

b.) Order mounts w/o paying core charge, send your stockers in, receive updated mounts, install.

krazycobalt

Hmm so you can just send in you old one and they keep them for someone else kinda thing? Also what do most people go with stg.1 or 2?

HunterKiller89

iTrader: (1)

personally, i say if your spending the money, you might as well get the best their is... stg2 ftw

USMCFieldMP

iTrader: (1)

Yes... they use your old mounts to make the new mounts.

Stg1 is all that you will probably NEED...

krazycobalt

Okay so.... is stage one only replace one of the tranny mounts while stg.2 replaces both? Is that correct to assume. Also what do you think of the upper motor mount over ingalls?

USMCFieldMP

iTrader: (1)

You are correct.

Stg1 replaces the front motor mount and puts a spacer on the rear. Stg 2 replaces both.

With the OTTP Rotated mounts, you do not need an Upper Motor Mount, and I strongly recommend that you do not put one on - bad.

Take that junk ass Ingall's off of there too. Once you have Trans mounts, the ingall's become obsolete.

MP Cobalt

iTrader: (4)

Will the OTT rotated mounts work on a auto cobalt?

recklessactn

iTrader: (1)

bought my stage 1 ottp mount on tuesday should be here soon research + cash = car life

HunterKiller89

iTrader: (1)

I would think not, but you shouldn't be wheel-hopping anyway. I know i don't....

Black SS/SC 06

iTrader: (6)

Sweet I wanna hear how you like them. Im doing engine/tranny mounts next.

krazycobalt

So... why is there no point in having a upper motor mount with the tranny mounts? why is that bad?

TurboTechRacing

iTrader: (24)

Some dont like the vibrations.

Some have the Upper mount and prothane/TTR tranny bushings, some have just the OTT tranny mounts no upper mount, some have the Upper mount and OTT tranny mounts.

Just depends on what you would like.

krazycobalt

Hmmm what would be the result in the different mixtures? what about OTT tranny mounts and ingalls ?

TurboTechRacing

iTrader: (24)

IMO i would either do just the OTT mounts, or the TTR mount and OTT mounts.

Ingalls IMO does not work very well, many have had the brackets bend on the Ingalls.

Black SS/SC 06

iTrader: (6)

QFT! Just ordered my TTR Engine Mount

MP Cobalt

iTrader: (4)

I kno but i dont want the vibs that i get from the inserts.

USMCFieldMP

iTrader: (1)

1.) Because the lower rotated trans mounts solve the problem of wheel hop... so there is now no reason for anything else. Unless you like the added vibrations that TTR's upper mount will give you.

2.) The rotated mounts do just that... they rotate the engine. Having the softer, stock upper mounts allows you to do this safely. Having a hard mount like TTR's that is made to run at the stock engine angle becomes "dangerous" when running the rotated mounts.

This is from someone that helped build a very fast, multi-colored Cobalt that won a big timed event :


It has been proven time and time again that OTTP's rotated mounts solve the problem of wheel hop. So there is really no need to buy any other mount (IE: an upper motor mount). And as I said before running your upper mount with OTTP's Rotated Mounts in NOT a good idea... too much stress.

I'm not trying to bash you guys or anything. Your upper mount is a great add on for Poly Inserts and it look pretty damn good... but it is a risky add on with rotated mounts.

As I said before... and as TTR said... the ingall's is junk. JUNK. Plain and Simple. If you have one now... sell it. I had one with INTENSE's poly inserts. Ran it that way for 1 year. One day... while at the track, I took the Ingall's off to see if it made a difference... and it didn't.

Sold it a week later and NEVER missed it. That was a year ago.

If the entire Trans mount (Metal bracket and all) is the same between the Auto and Manual, then these will work.

But... in all honesty... you shouldn't need them. IIRC, the auto puts the Axles at a different angle than the manual trans does. You should be fine with stock mounts.

Black SS/SC 06

iTrader: (6)

Yea im ditching my ingalls as well. All it seems to do is prevent the car from stalling out lol. Hopefully the TTR mount will help me a little. I am getting the Rotated Trans Mounts eventually.