The only reason I keep asking is because I'm on a fixed budget. I pretty much can't buy anymore parts. I have, probably, about $200 to spare after the pistons,headwork,cams,clutch, etc. I know the dual pass endplate is only $80 new, so I'll prob. get that. maybe if I can get 80's for under $150 I may switch to e85. Any other parts are just going to have to wait.

 

you don't get it do you....





**** the 80s. spend the money on cooling. if you don't spend money on cooling you wont even need the 80s cause you won't make over 270whp... welcome to the world of modding cars. can't always buy what you want when you want it. gotta put things on hold. i've got a car that i've put 4,410 miles on since i bought it last august. and 2,300 of those miles where two seperate one-day 1000mile trips. you buy what you can when you can and put things on hold till you have what you need. you can't just spend frivolously and never save up for the things you really need.

 

while e85 will help SOME it wont cool your charge temp that far...

basically get more cooling mods or quit posting asking what to do...

 

E85 will only lower combustion temps and egts. it won't do **** for iat2 which is what your computer is reading telling it to pull timing cause its way too hot.

 

I <3 this response.

 

You guys don't seem to be getting something. I'm not doing this build because I want to. Every dime of this build is being stolen from somewhere to get the car running again. This is my daily driver and I have to have it running. Those pistons? That was a new baby crib. that head work being done? My wifes birthday present. and mine.

Yes, I'm getting performance parts, but only because rebuilding my block turned out to be slightly cheaper than buying a new one.

Other than a dual pass, what else would make you happy? Meth?

I've talked to a few cobalt owners here in utah who ran meth. The synopsis that I've heard:

It's a PITA to work with/install
It's a PITA to tune
If you're always hard on the throttle, you'll refill the tank every month, or more often
If you run out while you're hard on it, or beat on it with an empty tank, your motor's gone. Period.
It's not cheap to buy/install

So, meth is out.
You want me to get an option B? you got one laying around you can give me? Will it really be that much better at cooling?

This isn't the car that I can afford to put 2300 miles on per year. That's my mustang. The mustang spends more of it's life taken apart than put together and driving. This is the daily driver. I don't care quite as much about getting the biggest number I can. This thread is entitled "How much will I make", not "how much could I make".

Since you guys seem to keep missing this, I do actually plan on getting a dual pass.

Ok?

 

Oh, and if the e85 won't help, it's out too.

 

why are people so scared of meth?? are you not responsible? cause any responsible driver will take care of their car. which means knowing if you're full or not, staying out of the throttle, its really not that hard to drive these cars and not hit boost. i never hit boost on the street.

It's a PITA to work with/install. its actually quite easy to install. did it in an hour
It's a PITA to tuneany tuner can do it
If you're always hard on the throttle, you'll refill the tank every month, or more oftenthen stop driving hard
If you run out while you're hard on it, or beat on it with an empty tank, your motor's gone. Period.check the level before you go beat on the car. takes less than 30 seconds. *pop trunk, look in trunk, "okay i'm good", *close trunk.
It's not cheap to buy/installused for $150


what we're getting at is, youre thread about "what will i make" will turn in to you making nothing at all if you don't take care of your engine. if you have a problem spending money on cooling then spend $20 and go back to a 2.9 plain and simple.

and don't make a thread asking what you'll make if you don't want to properly do it.

 

Also, if you have to be stealing money from so many different places for a DD you dont give a **** about number or times on then why are you doing this build in the first place? Much cheaper routes to take if you truly dont care and only need a running car.

 

Because I don't operate in extremes. I give a **** about the number, or else I wouldn't have asked. I just don't care if it's 200, 300, or 7000. I really just wanted to know what people on here would guess.

I have to rebuild it anyways.

3000 for a stock crate motor, or a rebuild my motor with forged pistons a nice cam set, and some head work to flow better for the same price?

Like I said, I do care about performance, just not to the extremes. I am only replacing what got damaged. That's the point of the build. I am replacing what got damaged. Just using better parts than stock. Is that so weird? MOSTLY I just need to get the car running. but why not get better parts while I'm at it?

I was going to build it at some point in life anyways. Plus, I needed a clutch, so I went for it.



Meth isn't for everyone. I don't want to always have to check the trunk before I drive or keep out of the throttle just to be safe.

I can keep out of the throttle. but what's the fun in that? People have different driving styles. I'm not judging you for yours.

Hell. If I was building this car for ultimate power, I'd pull/sell the SC and turbo the car. Then I'd get a giant intercooler and probably still not run meth. too many 900hp turbo cars not running meth for me to think it a neccesity.

You say **** the 80's, right? It's true. I agree. but I also say **** spending another $150-200 at all. The car ran great on 2.7 and 60's before. It'll run better now because I'll have dual pass and better flow through the heads and header. If that ain't enough for you, too bad.

 

well good luck.

 

Hows about this, though: I still have yet to hear back from the $#!@......machine shop(they're really starting to irritate me)
If I do, in fact have more than $200 left over in the budget, I will at least look at a meth kit. Like I said, I don't operate in extremes. That goes for this too. I still have to get the car going for now.... But if I can find one cheap enough and get installed without stealing food out of the baby's mouth, maybe I'll do it. If not though.....I'll be sitting pretty at 255whp and smiling.

 

dual pass for sure because you'll already have the engine apart. If you have $200 left over, get a front mounted H/E. Wait a month or 2 then get the opt. b. If you want it cooler after that then do meth.

 

And fyi about the hp guessing, I have all those cooling mods metioned, 80's, c.a.i, tvs, dyno tune, and I am at 312 whp.

 

when i ran meth in my car, i ran it for a loooong time. almost a year on the same 1 1/2 gallon tank. it barely moved. i had a 7gph nozzle as well and i beat on my car. so meth will last you a long ass time

PS this thread makes laugh

 

I have a HE already. what does opt.b really do? just hold more coolant? Is it just that if you have more coolant in the system, all of it stays a bit cooler? That, plus DP, plus HE, keep everything really cool then?

The only reason I can see it getting any, perhaps a lot, hotter, is that I'll be running higher compression than before. I may be forced to do something if I can't get temps down. I guess we'll see when the car gets reassembled.

312 on a tvs, eh? Hmmm. I guess we'll have to see what happens.

 

Sadly, I may not have any money left after the machine shop gets done %&*$ing around. However, I may have a more interesting build than originally considered. Put it this way, I'm no longer going to be 2.0...

Also going to have more than 9.5 compression...

I hate that this thread went so far south...

 

The opt b also bleeds air from your IC system better than the stock bottle neck. In addition, the way you are thinking about iat 2's is not exactly right. With a 2.7 pulley, you have a good chance of over spinning the blower at higher rpms which makes it inefficient which creates more heat at an exponential rate. Also, I am at 312 on a conservative tune and no meth. Once I go meth or e85 and retune, I am expecting 330 - 340 ish.

 

huh? i have a 3 gallon tank and it only lasts me about 1500 miles... i dont really beat on my car that bad

 

if you don't wanna run meth, then don't run a 2.7 plain and simple. especially now that you say you've bored it out and going higher compression....without any more cooling. you say you just want it to be a DD. then run it on a 2.9 or 3.0 and call it good.

i made 273/250 on a 2.8, 60s, intake, 3" header back, h/e, meth.

 

I may have to. We'll look at temps during tuning. If we can't get temps down I'll just back the timing way off until I have the money to do something else.

I can't even afford a $20 pulley right now. Get paid in another week tho, so maybe then...We'll see.

 

You can run with a smaler pulley without meth but like Mark and i am saying is more or less reliablility !!!!!! I ran my lsj for two years with a 2.6 part of the year was with meth but about 3/4 of those years were without. I was built like your self, but i also made sure the tune was on 100% all the time..... Now if you want to go with the smaller pulley and ect ill help you out with your tuning to get you where you need to be !!! With or without meth! Just know if you get on it all the time, and you let your egts get up there you will allow melting of your pistons, and ect!!!

 

You guys spraying meth with a tb spacer intake/charger spacer or drilling the intake and plumbing it in. ?

 

You should really think of buying another car if this car is hurting you financially. Methanol isn't that expensive. Without it you won't hit your goals. Without a dual pass and Option B I wouldn't go smaller than a 2.9" pulley.

 

if ur stickin with the m62 u need to get sum cooling mods then ull see an improvment..ur losing alot of power due to heat