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Old 01-18-2008, 03:04 PM
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Bad Ground??

So I'm about to put new speakers in the front doors, in doing the prep work I was under the drivers side dash looking to see how hard the molex was going to be, I took a look around and if you look up there is a metal cross bracket in which there are two grounds (factory) attached to it It would be about two inches to the right (and behind) the tach. Looking closer at it I saw saw what appears to be scorching or burn marks under the grounds, you know the kind that appear on metal after electricity has flowed into it.
My question is , Is this normal, I can't see it would be but want to ask, I will post pics but it is in an akward spot to get the camera in
Could this explain why when I turn the car off sometimes the needles on the gauges dance up and down for a few seconds, has been like that since day one
Old 01-18-2008, 03:18 PM
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u know i've been curious if there was a grounding issue as well due to the needles pinging issue. mine snapped out of it after a trip through some rugged terrain.....i wonder
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hmmm interesting....
Old 01-18-2008, 09:34 PM
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i still have the needle dancing problem
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Burning is never good man...

As for the dancing needles, it's normal, I believe it is a needle position relearn.
Old 01-18-2008, 10:52 PM
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needle position relearn.....jesus, GM needs to follow KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

needle position relearn..........ain't never heard of any hondas needle relearning. lol
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our needles are on little stepper motors. If you open up the cluster you'll see what I mean.

If you slap your dash hard enough they will actually bump out of place. The needle drops all the way down, feels where the bottom is, then adjusts itself by using the distance it knows from the bottom to the beggining of the digits.

It really is simple, Our cluster is really complicated yet simple at the same time. Its all LEDs so you pretty much never need to change a bulb.

As for the burns, it might be from a spotweld or something. I wouldn't worry about it. There really isn't any wires back there that will carry enough current to burn metal like that. Not without the insulation of the wire bursting into flames...
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Its right at the ground and there seems to be no welding point anywhere around it. besides don't they stamp cut all holes in everything (with a press) anyway heres a picture or two, it was not an easy angle to get a decent shot so, take that in mnd when you see the picts


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Originally Posted by red07g5
our needles are on little stepper motors. If you open up the cluster you'll see what I mean.

If you slap your dash hard enough they will actually bump out of place. The needle drops all the way down, feels where the bottom is, then adjusts itself by using the distance it knows from the bottom to the beggining of the digits.

It really is simple, Our cluster is really complicated yet simple at the same time. Its all LEDs so you pretty much never need to change a bulb.

As for the burns, it might be from a spotweld or something. I wouldn't worry about it. There really isn't any wires back there that will carry enough current to burn metal like that. Not without the insulation of the wire bursting into flames...
they are actually small incondescants not leds
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danm wats up with all these threads bout car audio..i guess its the winter season and everyone's cars are inside
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lol not really probably mainly my fault... havent really checked all my e-mail since early december and im bumping up alot of the audio threads
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