Originally Posted by NJHK

Why would you do something like that?

It's called changing your turbocharger...

You should be able to find a large enough turbocharger to support the power you're aiming for and still be internal wastegated (assuming you are) even though if I were you, I'd switch to a external wastegate setup.

This is of course something you should have thought about even doing before you got your kit installed and probably even told them in the first place to save in headache of switching to something else. Now you're going to spend even more money to reach a goal that you should have aimed for from the beginning or a setup that was capable of reaching it (for sure).

EDIT: I can't imagine that you don't THAT much space or you could do some type of change to fit a slightly larger turbocharger behind your engine.

There is always the Hammer Modification...beat the **** out of the firewall! lol

Originally Posted by Sw4y1313

Yeah, the issue i was thinking of going to a procharger would be space. I do have about an inch off my turbo to the firewall, so im sure i could fit another turbo in there. I would love to see some more prochargers out there though. they are pretty sick units. But yeah, im most likely going to upgrade my turbo if it doesnt get me to 350whp.

Originally Posted by Matty

Just curious but for how much?

Originally Posted by NJHK

That sounds like a better and more cost effective way to get there. Def do that.

Originally Posted by Sw4y1313

Ill be getting all the parts i need here on my next paycheck, i should have my tax return by then too. ill be startin a thread on it when i get the parts in.

Originally Posted by Delta2.2

what types of prochargers are there? C1 and C2 i keep hearing. differences?

Originally Posted by bc3tech

wow so um... yeah.
http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml

Originally Posted by mezzanno

Yeah i am sorry if I came off like a dick. It's nothing personal against you. I just don't want people to be misinformed about what things are capable of. The first part of your statement was true that supercharger can never make the same power as a turbo of equivalent size, and cfm capability like 06blackg85ss stated earlier. Although either one can achieve power levels that are too much for the street.



D1 layin around hmmm. might be perfect to take my vette to insanity.

Originally Posted by 06blackg85ss

I think he wanted like $3,000 thats with piping, intercooler, custom radiator, custom stainless steel header (burns collectors) 3" crossover pipe, 3" o2 housing and down pipe..
put down 1200 hp on his 347... woot!

Originally Posted by Speed Mafia

Sorry for lacking and Halfcent i will keep it chill....

yes a C-1 will be fine...and someone said F-1R damn 5psi would blow a 2.2L apart if you could even spin the blower! lol also i do have a car here locally but for fabrications not for testing the customer does not have the money for a kit but said i can use his car to design the kit...should take maybe a day or 2 most...

what questions do you have i will post anything i know or i can do to help...tuning can be done via SMT-6 i have worked with Alpine on this and everything is a go just need to get ahold of the guy here locally and now that the weather is nice i can do this...

Originally Posted by mezzanno

it was me who said F1R just to prove a point. But if an F1R was able to be pullied down to the point where it was only producing 5psi of boost on an otherwise stock 2.2 engine it would make no more power than a C-1 at 5 psi and it would not put anymore stress on the engine as opposed to the C-1. Airflow is what you have to look at. Like you said though the engine couldn't even spin the blower.

Originally Posted by REDFOCZ

How much does a C1 cost? And do you think th C2 would be better on the 2.4's over the C1

Originally Posted by 06_ion2

its about 2100 for the c1/c2 you could use the c2 because the 2.4 meets the N/A requirements to spin the procharger but the c1 will do plenty i would think

Originally Posted by bc3tech

1. last dyno showed 188whp w/ still a crappy tune. that's a 53% increase over my stock dyno tho so still not bad. i'm pushing 10psi tho so i shoul be at 210-215whp range.
2. well i was hoping for redline territory, not there yet
3. i'd say once you get near 300 crank you should go w/ at least some new pistons. rods maybe around 350-375 crank
4. only if you want to tune for them, so if you are going to get HPTuners, then no reason not to upgrade the injectors so you have 'em ready to go when you go f/i
5. 60s are really unneeded, i still don't know why some of the redline guys are using them when the time attack cobalt put down over 300whp and had 42#s in it...
6. not really, it's all about how much air you're flowing and how much more fuel you'll need for that air to keep a good ratio and whether or not the injectors can deliver that fuel. **** i'm on my stock (24#) injectors and can keep up w/ 10psi boost because i up the fuel pressure, i dont' change the IDC but that's not nearly as precise of a way of doing things, which is why my tune sucks and my whp is sub-par right now
7. how about speed mafia, they're looking to get in on some 2.4's with a procharger and turbo kit, and Hahn's still working on a turbo kit for the 2.4's.

Originally Posted by TCarter

The C1 Procharger (What BC3Tech is running), if I remember correctly is a intercooled system and is running about 10psi.

Im not sure specificaly on how much hp hes running, and even if theres the famous whine that many people look for in a supercharger.

Ive always recommended, if you have the money, and you want the whine....but you love the boost of a turbo.. Buy a small centrifugal Supercharger for the whine...then do a twincharge kit (Turbo & Supercharger).

Is it doable? yes. Is it feasable? No.

Personaly, a Supercharged Whipple/Eaton/Kenne Belle 2.2 or 2.4L cobalt isnt far off. Me and TurboBlackBalt(Now: AMG Passion) will be working on some kits for the cobalt (Whipple/Kenne Belle) as well as a better turbo kit.