'08 Cobalt Turbo gonna happen
08-16-2006, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by StinkBOMB
Nah, SRT-4's are FWD, Cobalt SS S/C's are FWD and they are far from pointless. But AWD would be most kick ass.
Originally Posted by StinkBOMB
I'm not saying that FWD is the best platform for drag. All I'm saying is high HP FWD cars aren't pointless or useless, if they were then the whole rice burner scene would never have taken off, and you wouldn't have cars like the SRT'4s and ours. Speed is about money, how fast do you want to go? Me personally, I only want to go about 13 seconds worth, then I'm done. My car is perfect for what I want. Yes FWD cars are cheap, and there is a reason that Z06's don't come FWD. I know.
Originally Posted by l Sh1ft l
Who cares. If it's front wheel drive then it's still about pointless. If chevy makes it AWD then I would buy one in a heartbeat.
+1 Sh1ft. I don't see the point of having a 260hp fwd car. You know it's going to cost more, and if I'm going to spend that much, I'd just get a WRX, or something else all together. That's what's so nice about the SS/SC and the SRT-4. They're pretty cheap for what they have to offer.
I could turn the boost up to ~280hp on my Sentra, and with just lowering springs for suspension, I'd just about spin through 4th, let alone 3rd, 2nd, and 1st. Was pointless. Was faster with less boost = less power = better traction. (for that car) Hell, with the boost turned up, it'd spin the hell out of slicks! Just wasn't fun... unless you have RWD for drifts or AWD to harness the power, THEN it's fun.
08-16-2006, 08:16 PM
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The Calaber SRT4 is 300hp, for around $21,000, so to remain competitive Chevy has to keep the Turbo Cobalt close to that, they will find a way to pull it off.
As for the Vette's weight, You can never go too light. Just look at this
This is a Mosler MT900 Photon from Motor Trend June 2003 issue.
It did...
0-60 in 3.13 seconds
1/4 mile in 11.02 at 126.88 mph
60-0 in 100 feet.
0-100 in 7.11 seconds
100-0 in 3.87 seconds
0-100-0 in 10.98 seconds
One mile in 30.4 seconds at 154.3 mph
100-0 in 275 feet
600-foot slalom in 74.7 mph
Its got a tweeked LS6 in a MR body that weighs, just a bit under a ton, about the same as a Lotis Elise.
As for the Vette's weight, You can never go too light. Just look at this
This is a Mosler MT900 Photon from Motor Trend June 2003 issue.
It did...
0-60 in 3.13 seconds
1/4 mile in 11.02 at 126.88 mph
60-0 in 100 feet.
0-100 in 7.11 seconds
100-0 in 3.87 seconds
0-100-0 in 10.98 seconds
One mile in 30.4 seconds at 154.3 mph
100-0 in 275 feet
600-foot slalom in 74.7 mph
Its got a tweeked LS6 in a MR body that weighs, just a bit under a ton, about the same as a Lotis Elise.
08-16-2006, 08:31 PM
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With the latest supercar horsepower tango pouring out of Europe, GM can't stand to see the already potent 500hp Corvette Z06 gazed down upon as a second rate supercar. Instead GM is developing an alleged supercharged 600hp Z06 with carbon fiber components dubbed the "Blue Devil" as reported by Autoweek in a recent interview with General Motors vice chairman Bob Lutz. With a curb weight hovering around 2900 lbs. and a price tag starting at $100,000 the European competition should be breaking into a cold sweat as the Blue Devil seen here making laps around Germany's Nurbürgring passes by.
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There is no denying this devil in a blue dress will drop jaws with amazing performance but the best and worst part is the price tag. The price is the best part in terms of having an obtainable super car for non-millionaires. However, the worst part is the absence of status and exclusivity that comes with an exotic super sports car's astronomical price tag. Price it too low and the Blue Devil will never shake that second tier reputation no matter how good it performs. Bargains are for the frugal minded and in the realm of supercars this doesn't mix. It is well known that GM has the capability to build amazing cars of such caliber but in the midst of financial difficulty the Blue Devil is a bit inappropriate. GM should stop trying to shed light on its model line by creating an artificial halo effect from an affordable super car. Instead they should concentrate more on anticipating consumer tastes and make desirable products as a result. And I'm not talking about making more SUV's.
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Spied on the Nurbürgring, Blue Devil appears to be living up to the earlier hype. Eyewitnesses said the car sounds supercharged, confirming reports the engine is likely a blown version of the Z06’s 7.0-liter V8, producing upward of 600 hp. Look for lightweight carbon fiber body parts to reduce weight to about 2900 pounds.
Pricing will likely start somewhere around $100,000 if and when the car makes production in 2007.
Commentary:
There is no denying this devil in a blue dress will drop jaws with amazing performance but the best and worst part is the price tag. The price is the best part in terms of having an obtainable super car for non-millionaires. However, the worst part is the absence of status and exclusivity that comes with an exotic super sports car's astronomical price tag. Price it too low and the Blue Devil will never shake that second tier reputation no matter how good it performs. Bargains are for the frugal minded and in the realm of supercars this doesn't mix. It is well known that GM has the capability to build amazing cars of such caliber but in the midst of financial difficulty the Blue Devil is a bit inappropriate. GM should stop trying to shed light on its model line by creating an artificial halo effect from an affordable super car. Instead they should concentrate more on anticipating consumer tastes and make desirable products as a result. And I'm not talking about making more SUV's.
Also:
Spied on the Nurbürgring, Blue Devil appears to be living up to the earlier hype. Eyewitnesses said the car sounds supercharged, confirming reports the engine is likely a blown version of the Z06’s 7.0-liter V8, producing upward of 600 hp. Look for lightweight carbon fiber body parts to reduce weight to about 2900 pounds.
Pricing will likely start somewhere around $100,000 if and when the car makes production in 2007.
08-16-2006, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 06G5GT
A company that is trying to save money is not going to retool and retrain an entire plant to build 1 new car. Lordstown will get the Astra if it's going to be built in NA.
The Ion has also gotten a temporary reprieve from the chopping block and will be built until the end of March 2007 now.
The Ion has also gotten a temporary reprieve from the chopping block and will be built until the end of March 2007 now.
08-16-2006, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverSS/SC
The Saturn Astra is going to be IMPORTED from the UK , much like the GTO's were from Austrailia . Saturn is not aiming at volume sales with the Astra . If I remember right the goal was 40K per year , and we will be DAMN lucky if we get the VXR version as Redline . Lordstown is at FULL capacity with the addition of the american G5 , with Spring Hill closing ....that is the reason the Ion is going bye bye and also the reason that VERY cool Ion concept was canned , nowhere to build it without Spring Hill . Opel/Vauxhall to rescue
08-16-2006, 10:03 PM
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....lets just hope they dont screw up the refresh on the front end . I saw spy shots of the 2008 all new Malibu and it had the almost identical grill as the Silver GMMP widebody Sema Cobalt . After seeing the Mailbu protype , with the Silver Sema SS , I think you were getting a bit of guaging of interest and sneak peak via GM at the new Cobalt front end . Jus so no one goes off on a tangent , I said the front end ...the cobalt wont be getting a factory widebody kit 
08-16-2006, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 06G5GT
A company that is trying to save money is not going to retool and retrain an entire plant to build 1 new car. Lordstown will get the Astra if it's going to be built in NA.
The Ion has also gotten a temporary reprieve from the chopping block and will be built until the end of March 2007 now.
The Ion has also gotten a temporary reprieve from the chopping block and will be built until the end of March 2007 now.
08-16-2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chizzap30
G5Mike... Where did you hear they were closing down Springhill? I have friends who paretns work there and haven't heard any word of closing
08-16-2006, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverSS/SC
It was listed in a GM press release of plants that will be shut down over the next few years .
08-17-2006, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltSonOfS.A.M.
They also said that there is a Uber-Vette on the way, the Stingray is the name so far. 600hp supercharged LS7, and a weight below the Solstice/Sky
Second of all, the Corvette SS/Stingray (name still not certain) will be a 6.2L supercharged LS9 and not a supercharged LS7. It will be about 600-650 HP (most likely about 630 HP).
08-17-2006, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by red_wing_2121
Second of all, the Corvette SS/Stingray (name still not certain) will be a 6.2L supercharged LS9 and not a supercharged LS7. It will be about 600-650 HP (most likely about 630 HP).
- supercharged LS6
- supercharged LS7
- supercharged LS9
Can we just settle (for the time being) on supercharged badassness?
08-17-2006, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by g5mike
There will be a turboed cobalt but you can look for it to be the same if not more than the ss/sc
If you look at the cars that have the 2.0L turbo in them, Sky Redline, Solstice GXP, their starting price is in the upper 20s. 28-29 thousand dollars. I am not willing to leave my 22 thousand dollar car and spend $7000 more on another cobalt. I am just guessing that the new Cobalt will be 5-7k more just for the base turbo. My 22k Car is fully loaded.
08-17-2006, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by contraststriker
Okay, so far we have:
- supercharged LS6
- supercharged LS7
- supercharged LS9
Can we just settle (for the time being) on supercharged badassness?
- supercharged LS6
- supercharged LS7
- supercharged LS9
Can we just settle (for the time being) on supercharged badassness?
its the LS9 motor that will be in it
08-17-2006, 08:09 AM
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the motor in the Vette Z07 (SS was dropped from what I have seen/ read) will be a LS7 that is tuned and set for boost and the new designation will be LS9
As for turbo Cobalt, I posted pics of a turbo HHR months ago, the car was a mule running around and it would be no surprise to me that they put it in the balt'
As for turbo Cobalt, I posted pics of a turbo HHR months ago, the car was a mule running around and it would be no surprise to me that they put it in the balt'
08-17-2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by toydriver00
If you look at the cars that have the 2.0L turbo in them, Sky Redline, Solstice GXP, their starting price is in the upper 20s. 28-29 thousand dollars. I am not willing to leave my 22 thousand dollar car and spend $7000 more on another cobalt. I am just guessing that the new Cobalt will be 5-7k more just for the base turbo. My 22k Car is fully loaded.
That's what the imports are known for.
That said, I am still waiting for proof. Motortrend has been wrong many times before, and I'm sure this article is just re-hashing information that's already out there. If it had been officially confirmed, it would be news on all the major domestic car mags.
08-17-2006, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by red_wing_2121
First of all, the Cobalt will definitely be turbocharged!
Second of all, the Corvette SS/Stingray (name still not certain) will be a 6.2L supercharged LS9 and not a supercharged LS7. It will be about 600-650 HP (most likely about 630 HP).
Second of all, the Corvette SS/Stingray (name still not certain) will be a 6.2L supercharged LS9 and not a supercharged LS7. It will be about 600-650 HP (most likely about 630 HP).
Pricing will likely start somewhere around $100,000 if and when the car makes production in 2007.
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GM has their goals messed up for the Z06...read the new Car and Driver. It came in 3rd to the 911 Turbo and the Ferrari F430 even though it murdered the F430 and matched the 911 in performance. It came down to quality as usual...they could tell the Z06 was a plastic chevy...and the seats didn't look or feel like race seats.
They need to focus on higher quality materials mainly on the interior...making a 600hp car that is still cheap looking inside won't get them that sick supercar status they want.
They need to focus on higher quality materials mainly on the interior...making a 600hp car that is still cheap looking inside won't get them that sick supercar status they want.
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Originally Posted by Ramps
GM has their goals messed up for the Z06...read the new Car and Driver. It came in 3rd to the 911 Turbo and the Ferrari F430 even though it murdered the F430 and matched the 911 in performance. It came down to quality as usual...they could tell the Z06 was a plastic chevy...and the seats didn't look or feel like race seats.
They need to focus on higher quality materials mainly on the interior...making a 600hp car that is still cheap looking inside won't get them that sick supercar status they want.
They need to focus on higher quality materials mainly on the interior...making a 600hp car that is still cheap looking inside won't get them that sick supercar status they want.
It is a supercar, if you need recaro CF seats, put in AM seats.....
