View Poll Results: For a 20% savings would you buy a lower quality china part over a USA part
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll
China vs USA made products
06-17-2014, 06:27 PM
#27
I wanna say something like 75% or more rods are made overseas, in particularly china, and then machine finished here in the US, including cam cores, pistons, etc. Easiest way to bring you these parts for the prices you would expect but still have the fit and finish of a very expensive brand.
06-17-2014, 06:32 PM
#28
I disagree with this sentiment lol fast for cheap isn't isolated to just your 20s, being smart about how you spend your money is something you learn. Reputation vs quality is a big argument on car forums. For instance, ZZP is touted in the GM community as the be all end all of aftermarket parts for eco's and 3800 v6's, yet I would say over half of their products, including their customer service, suck. I spent over 400 dollars on their mid length header kit on the "reputation" alone and it was probably the worst piece ive ever bought, wound up trading it for a $200 dollar ebay header that not only gave better performance but the fit and finish was 10x that of the ZZP piece. Dont be so quick to judge cheap parts, a lot of companies make their name on doing it better and cheaper then their predecessors. That's how the free market works, just gotta learn how to play the system correctly.
06-17-2014, 09:29 PM
#32
Senior Member
depends on what it is... little plastic bits and such fine, but larger, complicated and more integral parts I'd rather have made by European/north american manufacturers with stricter safety and quality policies.
For me it's not 100% about supporting X economy, but it's well known that the Chinese cannot build quality products, half there **** falls apart and fails before you've even gotten a few uses out of it.
For me it's not 100% about supporting X economy, but it's well known that the Chinese cannot build quality products, half there **** falls apart and fails before you've even gotten a few uses out of it.
06-17-2014, 10:16 PM
#33
i work in the steel industry, and have for 24 years. Chinese steel is getting better, but just like anything else remember- the more we buy from overseas, the fewer jobs we have here. I would rather support us/canada over china, who is largely aided by the government, where we aren't. If people don't wake up, our manufacturing will all go overseas, and then what. Who pays for all the people out of work, when the jobs dry up?
I ALWAYS try and buy American, and don't mind paying a little more to help others hold on to jobs here. Its usually better quality anyway. Try and find any clothing that's still made in the states, its pretty hard. Once they run everyone out of business, they set the price. Sad that people for the most part dont think this way, we would be better off as a nation, and would have more weight in the world market.
I ALWAYS try and buy American, and don't mind paying a little more to help others hold on to jobs here. Its usually better quality anyway. Try and find any clothing that's still made in the states, its pretty hard. Once they run everyone out of business, they set the price. Sad that people for the most part dont think this way, we would be better off as a nation, and would have more weight in the world market.
06-17-2014, 10:33 PM
#34
i work in the steel industry, and have for 24 years. Chinese steel is getting better, but just like anything else remember- the more we buy from overseas, the fewer jobs we have here. I would rather support us/canada over china, who is largely aided by the government, where we aren't. If people don't wake up, our manufacturing will all go overseas, and then what. Who pays for all the people out of work, when the jobs dry up?
I ALWAYS try and buy American, and don't mind paying a little more to help others hold on to jobs here. Its usually better quality anyway. Try and find any clothing that's still made in the states, its pretty hard. Once they run everyone out of business, they set the price. Sad that people for the most part dont think this way, we would be better off as a nation, and would have more weight in the world market.
I ALWAYS try and buy American, and don't mind paying a little more to help others hold on to jobs here. Its usually better quality anyway. Try and find any clothing that's still made in the states, its pretty hard. Once they run everyone out of business, they set the price. Sad that people for the most part dont think this way, we would be better off as a nation, and would have more weight in the world market.
06-17-2014, 11:09 PM
#36
i work in the steel industry, and have for 24 years. Chinese steel is getting better, but just like anything else remember- the more we buy from overseas, the fewer jobs we have here. I would rather support us/canada over china, who is largely aided by the government, where we aren't. If people don't wake up, our manufacturing will all go overseas, and then what. Who pays for all the people out of work, when the jobs dry up?
I ALWAYS try and buy American, and don't mind paying a little more to help others hold on to jobs here. Its usually better quality anyway. Try and find any clothing that's still made in the states, its pretty hard. Once they run everyone out of business, they set the price. Sad that people for the most part dont think this way, we would be better off as a nation, and would have more weight in the world market.
I ALWAYS try and buy American, and don't mind paying a little more to help others hold on to jobs here. Its usually better quality anyway. Try and find any clothing that's still made in the states, its pretty hard. Once they run everyone out of business, they set the price. Sad that people for the most part dont think this way, we would be better off as a nation, and would have more weight in the world market.
Hear hear.
06-17-2014, 11:20 PM
#37
The original question is ''For a 20% savings would you buy a lower quality china part over a USA part'' .
My answer would be no, for 20% ill buy 'Merica parts. But its almost never just 20% savings, its usually more.
For example : Magnaflow exhaust for a lsj brand new the cheapest i found was $800 bucks.
You can get a SRS exhaust for $290 shipped, and it still sounds decent.
Its hard to go buy American when they are priced so much higher, especially if your on a low paying job while going to school or have a family to raise etc.
My answer would be no, for 20% ill buy 'Merica parts. But its almost never just 20% savings, its usually more.
For example : Magnaflow exhaust for a lsj brand new the cheapest i found was $800 bucks.
You can get a SRS exhaust for $290 shipped, and it still sounds decent.
Its hard to go buy American when they are priced so much higher, especially if your on a low paying job while going to school or have a family to raise etc.
06-17-2014, 11:48 PM
#40
Don't take this next part personally. I know I'll probably catch a lot of flak for what I'm about to say, but I believe it to be true.
I believe that the main reason all manufacturing is going overseas is greed. No, not the greed of the US companies closing their US plants and outsourcing to China. They are mostly just doing what they need to do to stay in business, keep the doors open. No, it's the greed of the American consumer. No matter what the family income, everyone believes they deserve a 40K SUV, the latest gadgets in terms of phones, iPads, game consoles, flat screen TV's, every day a Venti Starbucks Latte, and and and. Nobody wants to live within the reality of their means. This is why average family credit card debt is out of control. And it's why our national debt is out of control. If I buy a Kia that looks like a $40K car but costs only 30, buy that $199 50 inch TV at Walmart on black Friday, I can seem just as wealthy and successful as the person making twice what I'm making!! But there is a cost. If people would be more content with what they had, and more realistic in their spending, dare I say, a little less materialistic, I think US manufacturing would have a chance. But now I think I'm the one that needs to come down to reality...
06-17-2014, 11:51 PM
#41
that is such a crock of **** its unbelievable you think it. you realize the number one cause of avoidable death is the us military right? and our war machine spends more than the next few dozen countries combined
06-17-2014, 11:56 PM
#42
It's greed in general, its the reason why capitalism ultimately fails to work in the long run. In a developing country where industry is just taking hold, it flourishes, but in a country where it is establish, it limits and inhibits. The green of the business to make profits at the expensive of its workers, the greed of its workers to make as much money as possible while doing as little work as possible, and the greed of its consumers to own as much as possible while spending as little as possible. It's a vicious circle that this country is very slowly fighting to pull itself out from. The sad truth of the situation that people cannot seem to grasp is that we will, one way or other, have to accept the fact that a socialism based society, or something similar, that ensures basic human services and provides for the needs of its people no matter what their position is in society, is the way we are headed, thanks large in part by technology. Technology will be and has been the direct influence to the unemployment rate, will continue to do so until most of us have no reason for employment at all. As machines continue to take over remedial tasks, and human positions get pushed further into more complex areas and less so in the basic segment, less educated people will find themselves without work, and when machines can suddenly repair themselves, and perform complex tasks that only humans can over see now...what then for everyone?
Ultimately we are going to pull ourselves out of this monetary based system in the next 2-300 years or we are going to collapse back into the dark ages. Where science is now part of religion, and progressive and innovative thinking is a thing of the past.
Ultimately we are going to pull ourselves out of this monetary based system in the next 2-300 years or we are going to collapse back into the dark ages. Where science is now part of religion, and progressive and innovative thinking is a thing of the past.
06-18-2014, 12:52 AM
#49
oh ok you're one of those. Well I would normally write a complex answer explaining why that is incorrect but since "you're a communist" is the common answer when presenting alternatives to capitalism from die hard "muricans" i'm not even going to bother to waste my breath this time around. Anyone whos had the pleasure to experience socialism that works in other countries will know exactly what I'm talking about.
